Posted on Sep 16, 2015
Ahmed Mohamed, 14, arrested over clock mistaken for bomb. Reasonable precaution or massive overreaction?
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What do you guys think? I can understand their initial reaction, however had this been someone else? Would the reaction be the same? Race card aside, it was handled pretty inappropriately as well. The situation could and should have been assessed on the spot especially since the engineering teacher already had knowledge.
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I believe the fuss was over how the student was handled by the school's administration and the Irving Police Department. Strictly for safety any teacher should notify the administration over anything that resembles a threat. However is was reported that the police department refused to let this 14 year old call his father until after the interrogation. (I am not defending the left and/or their agenda) This is what supposedly got the left upset.
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I said something similar in another thread. How can the parents not know these things? That's the first thing I thought, SMH.
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After reading all of the responses here my wish is that you all get a chance to be in the position of the teacher who did not have enough information to know that there was no threat.
After the fact knowledge makes everyone an expert.
I am glad that it all turned out innocent. But, I still wonder what all would be saying had it not been.
We train our school staffs to report any suspicious activity and then criticize them when they do.
After the fact knowledge makes everyone an expert.
I am glad that it all turned out innocent. But, I still wonder what all would be saying had it not been.
We train our school staffs to report any suspicious activity and then criticize them when they do.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Capt (Join to see) In this case, you can have your cake and eat it too.
The initial reaction to investigate further was valid IMHO.. It was the rest of the reported actions Im not ok with.....assuming we have the whole story
The initial reaction to investigate further was valid IMHO.. It was the rest of the reported actions Im not ok with.....assuming we have the whole story
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I did not see this initially and it does not look like a clock but the left-wing buttheads were sure quick to jump on the school..... lol
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What if he were carrying a pressure cooker in his backpack? Or a cheese sandwich or "the school has insisted a pupil was not excluded 'for just having Mini Cheddars in their lunchbox' but because there had been a 'persistent and deliberate breach of school policy, such as bringing in crisps, biscuits, sausage rolls, mini sausages, scotch eggs and similar'.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552081/Boy-six-suspended-school-taking-packet-Mini-Cheddars-lunchbox-EXPELLED-parents-vented-outrage-press.html#ixzz3m2m4Qqwd
Heaven help us all...
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552081/Boy-six-suspended-school-taking-packet-Mini-Cheddars-lunchbox-EXPELLED-parents-vented-outrage-press.html#ixzz3m2m4Qqwd
Heaven help us all...
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
BTW, if this stunt can get you invited to the White House to meet with the President, then watch for 'copycat' clock makers looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Bad precedent (or is it spelled president, not sure which).Â
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COL Ted Mc
CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - Chief; Not only would I be willing to do so, I have. The "trick" is to announce what you have and what your intentions are clearly and distinctly while NOT assuming an aggressive posture.
I do, however, agree with your comments about "over reaction" and "political correctness". Not only do I agree with you, but I highly regret the degree of national paranoia that both the government and the media have generated (while not actually doing anything substantial to reduce the [minuscule] risk to Americans from terrorist attack).
Actually what this stupid affair has done is make it EASIER for someone who is intent on nefarious deeds to do them. Had the affair been handled properly (school suspects possible bomb, school separates possible bomb from possible bomber, school contacts police, police attend with appropriate technical personnel, appropriate technical personnel check out possible bomb, appropriate technical personnel determine that possible bomb is NOT a bomb, police and appropriate technical personnel leave the school, item is returned to its owner, owner [and the remainder of the school] get back on their regular routine, case is closed) then there would never have been any news story at all. The school was within its rights (and I'll even go so far as to include "responsibilities") to check out the device. What the school (and the police) did exposed them as being almost completely inept and liable to panic. Letting "the bad guys" know that you have ineffective troops is NEVER a "Good Thing" and that is what the school (and the police) did.
I do, however, agree with your comments about "over reaction" and "political correctness". Not only do I agree with you, but I highly regret the degree of national paranoia that both the government and the media have generated (while not actually doing anything substantial to reduce the [minuscule] risk to Americans from terrorist attack).
Actually what this stupid affair has done is make it EASIER for someone who is intent on nefarious deeds to do them. Had the affair been handled properly (school suspects possible bomb, school separates possible bomb from possible bomber, school contacts police, police attend with appropriate technical personnel, appropriate technical personnel check out possible bomb, appropriate technical personnel determine that possible bomb is NOT a bomb, police and appropriate technical personnel leave the school, item is returned to its owner, owner [and the remainder of the school] get back on their regular routine, case is closed) then there would never have been any news story at all. The school was within its rights (and I'll even go so far as to include "responsibilities") to check out the device. What the school (and the police) did exposed them as being almost completely inept and liable to panic. Letting "the bad guys" know that you have ineffective troops is NEVER a "Good Thing" and that is what the school (and the police) did.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
COL Ted Mc - What is your take on this recent article (which I believe makes an excellent point)--that certain ethnic groups get a pass: http://nypost.com/2015/09/19/how-ahmeds-clock-became-a-false-convenient-tale-of-racism/
How Ahmed’s clock became a false, convenient tale of racism
When is America going to get serious about the problem of white kids getting suspended from school for nothing? By now you’ve heard the story of Ahmed Mohamed, crowned by the Daily Beast “The Musli...
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COL Ted Mc
CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - Chief; My "take" is that the author has as much of an agenda to sell as do those people who are holding that the school administration had NO RIGHT and NO REASON to investigate the clock that Ahmed brought to school.
When it comes down to "the school/police doing really dumb things AFTER their initial steps" there is no difference between what happened in Ahmed's case and what happened to the young lad who "chewed his PopTart into the shape of a gun" (except the teacher in the later case didn't think that the young fellow was going to shoot her with the 'reshaped' PopTart [at least I hope they didn't]).
In both cases the reaction was totally out of proportion and the people involved should face severe consequences for their idiocy.
On the other hand, the young ("White"? "Christian"?) lad who "chewed his PopTart into the shape of a gun" doesn't appear to have been handcuffed, dragged off to jail, and interrogated by the police.
When it comes down to "the school/police doing really dumb things AFTER their initial steps" there is no difference between what happened in Ahmed's case and what happened to the young lad who "chewed his PopTart into the shape of a gun" (except the teacher in the later case didn't think that the young fellow was going to shoot her with the 'reshaped' PopTart [at least I hope they didn't]).
In both cases the reaction was totally out of proportion and the people involved should face severe consequences for their idiocy.
On the other hand, the young ("White"? "Christian"?) lad who "chewed his PopTart into the shape of a gun" doesn't appear to have been handcuffed, dragged off to jail, and interrogated by the police.
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It seems there is almost universal agreement: Overreaction. And yes, the child's rights were trampled. And no, there's no excuse. BUT it is instructive to reflect on WHY there was such an overreaction and trampling of rights. The root problem is that Americans have no faith in the authorities: Local, regional, or national to enforce laws and protect us. This problem is compounded by the fact that the authorities (beginning with George Bush) want US to hunker down and let them do the job, and those now in command of the Administration was to deny US the right to defend ourselves. Yes, We the People are feeling a bit paranoid these days, aren't we? Then, today, I read of a Palestinian boy whose ambition it is to become an engineer. Why? So he can blow up Israelis. More paranoia. We need to get it under control. We can start by preparing to defend ourselves regardless of what the Left thinks. We can start preparing to care for ourselves in the event of tragedy whether natural or man made. And we can start by voting more carefully to elect leaders and representatives who will once again earn our trust.
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COL Ted Mc
LTC Henry Barber - Colonel; The graphic in the original post IS NOT the actual clock. I have posted a picture purporting to be an officially released picture of the actual clock that purports to have been officially released by the supposedly directly involved police department.
But you know how the media like in order to protect terrorists - don't you?
But you know how the media like in order to protect terrorists - don't you?
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Overreaction and yet prudent to look farther.
It's the "HOW" that pisses me off, not the intent.
It's the assumed guilty, feel free to prove your innocence that pisses me off about this.
Today it was a 14 year old boy with a homemade clock (i built clocks, radios, alarms triggered by light, tripwire, pressure, ect as a kid) tomorrow it could be a 50 year old retired Army "killer" that has weapons in his home and never leaves home with one or more who has made disparaging remarks against the president.. and has been "linked" to events were homemade bombs were used, built, parts gathered (they will conveniently not mention all of that was part of the assigned job, and most times said Vet was trying to stop, kill, or ID and neutralize these bomb makers)
Said vet will be arrested, and held without bond, forced to PROVE his innocence FIRST.. Vice, a DA building a case of guilt supported by facts FIRST.
It's the "HOW" that pisses me off, not the intent.
It's the assumed guilty, feel free to prove your innocence that pisses me off about this.
Today it was a 14 year old boy with a homemade clock (i built clocks, radios, alarms triggered by light, tripwire, pressure, ect as a kid) tomorrow it could be a 50 year old retired Army "killer" that has weapons in his home and never leaves home with one or more who has made disparaging remarks against the president.. and has been "linked" to events were homemade bombs were used, built, parts gathered (they will conveniently not mention all of that was part of the assigned job, and most times said Vet was trying to stop, kill, or ID and neutralize these bomb makers)
Said vet will be arrested, and held without bond, forced to PROVE his innocence FIRST.. Vice, a DA building a case of guilt supported by facts FIRST.
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It's all about perspective.
Ahmed Mohamed shows up with something that looks like it could be a bomb as a school (looking at the pictures I'd be calling the bomb squad to investigate too)... In this day and age? With the training that school staff receives to try and prevent school massacres, and the hyper-awareness of the war on terror? It would be disappointing if there wasn't a reaction, but the kid is a stranger to me.
On the other hand... The kid built a clock! How cool is that? Hope the reaction didn't make him want to quit. BTW, I have that same shirt!
I do think press and The President handled it poorly though. Poor kid is now caught in the middle of a bunch of people trying to grab attention. I would have seen the President quietly invite the kid... reinforce that he did nothing wrong privately.
Ahmed Mohamed shows up with something that looks like it could be a bomb as a school (looking at the pictures I'd be calling the bomb squad to investigate too)... In this day and age? With the training that school staff receives to try and prevent school massacres, and the hyper-awareness of the war on terror? It would be disappointing if there wasn't a reaction, but the kid is a stranger to me.
On the other hand... The kid built a clock! How cool is that? Hope the reaction didn't make him want to quit. BTW, I have that same shirt!
I do think press and The President handled it poorly though. Poor kid is now caught in the middle of a bunch of people trying to grab attention. I would have seen the President quietly invite the kid... reinforce that he did nothing wrong privately.
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Sgt Richard Buckner Exactly. Sort of reminds me of the complaints - It was only a toy gun, why was he shot?
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