Posted on Sep 16, 2015
Ahmed Mohamed, 14, arrested over clock mistaken for bomb. Reasonable precaution or massive overreaction?
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What do you guys think? I can understand their initial reaction, however had this been someone else? Would the reaction be the same? Race card aside, it was handled pretty inappropriately as well. The situation could and should have been assessed on the spot especially since the engineering teacher already had knowledge.
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A lot of this is driven by over reaction at schools and what they like to call zero tolerance policies. Zero tolerance is a nice way of saying we disengage our brain and assume the worst about certain things and have zero room for interpretation.
We have seen this with suspensions for gun shaped pop tarts and young boys getting in trouble for being too friendly with young girls (kissing on the cheek) and even reprimands for Bible reading in school. Google them if you don't believe me.
It goes from an insult to the absurd when law enforcement is brought in to "deal" with the situation. Because no one is allowed to use their brain, good judgment etc we end up with a 14 year old clock maker in handcuffs and everyone in positions of authority acting as though they have done the appropriate thing.
We have seen this with suspensions for gun shaped pop tarts and young boys getting in trouble for being too friendly with young girls (kissing on the cheek) and even reprimands for Bible reading in school. Google them if you don't believe me.
It goes from an insult to the absurd when law enforcement is brought in to "deal" with the situation. Because no one is allowed to use their brain, good judgment etc we end up with a 14 year old clock maker in handcuffs and everyone in positions of authority acting as though they have done the appropriate thing.
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SGT Darryl Allen
Cpl Jeff N. This is one hell of a response, and without saying which side of the fence I stand on this case, I will say, I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly. I understand the want to err on the side of caution, these are our children and future of this country we're talking about, so obviously we want them as safe as possible. What I don't understand is the need for schools to attempt to create this soul-sucking vacuum that has to stamp out ingenuity and individuality at every turn. We want our children to grow and learn and be prepared for real life, but the way our schools are is the furthest thing from "real" (unless you consider we're just training kids to follow red tape for the rest of their lives).
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Great way to discourage STEM education and exploration bybover reacting instead of talking to the student.
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Yes, but you have to ask the question - What if?
What would the headlines have read if this was not a kid being creative and a homemade clock.
What would the headlines have read if this was not a kid being creative and a homemade clock.
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LTC (Join to see)
In Iraq 2004, we started allowing Iraqi interpreters, the police and military we were training into our chow halls to build those relationships of good will and understanding. Then in Mosul someone came in with a bomb vest on and detonated it, killing and wounding several. You just never know what can happen, we are foolish to think otherwise.
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COL Ted Mc
Lt Col (Join to see) - Captain; Please do not encourage the asking of embarrassing questions.
The school was not evacuated and the bomb squad was not called in simply because no one actually believed that it was a bomb and wanted to give a gloss of "responsible legality" to their actions - but it isn't polite to say things like that.
The school was not evacuated and the bomb squad was not called in simply because no one actually believed that it was a bomb and wanted to give a gloss of "responsible legality" to their actions - but it isn't polite to say things like that.
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My first reaction was, "Who would be so insane as to do this to a kid?!"...then, I read into the story a bit more. As my "liberal" friends sometimes suggest, facts are hard to ignore...and the "fact" is that we are living in a time of fear, uncertainty and uncommon danger in places we traditionally thought of as "safe". Up until a few months ago, I wouldn't have been concerned that a security guard or an airline pilot might be on a mission of murder either. Having seen a little of Islam in an Islamic nation, I know that most Muslims are like anyone else...they want to succeed, live their lives, and enjoy the experience. However, it is unquestioned that some people among us take their frustration and concern to entirely radical levels...and there is no age/education/background limit on capability and intent...Some of us know that all too well. Ahmed IS a smart kid...and what's more, he knows it. From robotics to other inventions, he has already shown promise. It sounds like he took his home-spun clock to class to show a teacher...sounds like that teacher advised him to be careful about who he showed it to. I am inclined to ask the same question the authorities were forced to ask...why would he bring a project that wasn't part of his school work, and why choose a humble clock...from the sounds of things, he could've just as easily brought a homemade robot. I don't think this young man should be arrested, charged with a crime, and put through this level of insanity...but I don't think we should be suspending kids for making "guns" out of Pop Tarts, either. Let's face it, the authorities at the school should've been smart too...you've got a kid who showed his gizmo to a teacher; not exactly the behavior of a would-be bomber. In the end, no one's pressing charges, he will NOT have a criminal record...in fact, he WILL receive more attention of a positive nature than most kids his age. That said, people will use this to the "n-th" degree to try and promote some sense of "profiling" or "xenophobia" when the real issue is just plain, old, indiscriminate fear.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
SFC James Sczymanski - So why weren't these kids also arrested?
http://gawker.com/7-kids-not-named-mohamed-who-brought-homemade-clocks-to [login to see]
http://gawker.com/7-kids-not-named-mohamed-who-brought-homemade-clocks-to [login to see]
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COL Ted Mc
SFC James Sczymanski - Sergeant; There would not have been any problem if the school had gone into "protective mode" (which would have involved actually asking what the device was and requesting that the police bring the bomb squad to the school to determine if the device was, in fact, a bomb).
The problem arose because the school administration went into "knee-jerk, mindless, paranoid, panic mode" and was reinforced when the police department followed right along.
The problem arose because the school administration went into "knee-jerk, mindless, paranoid, panic mode" and was reinforced when the police department followed right along.
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COL Ted Mc
SFC James Sczymanski - Sergeant; I don't dispute that it isn't the first time that some school administration has done some incredibly bone-headed thing out of paranoia, panic, pusilaminity, or just plain prejudice. I don't dispute that it won't be the last time either.
What I do say is that we have to keep on letting them know when they act like a bunch of idiots and make the rest of the country look bad through their stupidity.
[NOTE - The above can be applied to politicians, rabid evangelicals, 'open mouth' show hosts, and media "talking heads" as well.]
What I do say is that we have to keep on letting them know when they act like a bunch of idiots and make the rest of the country look bad through their stupidity.
[NOTE - The above can be applied to politicians, rabid evangelicals, 'open mouth' show hosts, and media "talking heads" as well.]
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As I stated in the other thread....
What do the following kids have in common?
Peter Mathis of Wilmington, North Carolina
Haley Zinke and Tasha Williams of Turtle Lake, North Dakota
Logan Weimer of Holland, Ohio
Indy Brumbraugh and Cesar Limas of Dade City, Florida
Tori Clark of Ellis, Kansas
Ahmed Mohamed, Irving, Texas
They all brought home made clocks to school!
Which one ended up in hand-cuffs?
What do the following kids have in common?
Peter Mathis of Wilmington, North Carolina
Haley Zinke and Tasha Williams of Turtle Lake, North Dakota
Logan Weimer of Holland, Ohio
Indy Brumbraugh and Cesar Limas of Dade City, Florida
Tori Clark of Ellis, Kansas
Ahmed Mohamed, Irving, Texas
They all brought home made clocks to school!
Which one ended up in hand-cuffs?
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COL Ted Mc
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. - Spec; It is inappropriate to bring up "not necessarily mainstream sexual aids and/or practices" in this discussion.
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COL Ted Mc
Lt Col (Join to see) - Captain; Since they aren't mentioned in either "The Bible" or "The Qur'an" neither 'fundamentalist' Christians nor 'fundamentalist' Christians are allowed to use handcuffs.
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This sort of thing happens quite often...You have to consider some folks are paranoid these days with all the news about homegrown terrorists. & innocent Muslims have been and will be mistaken for being a Islamic Terrorist.. It is a sad commentary for the times we live in today.. Just one old man's opinion & I welcome others who don't agree with me..
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This is crazy!! That teacher should be ashamed of what they did any issue a apology to him. Hope the best for this kids and hope this does not sour his love for this country and science.
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PO1 Matthew Murdock
Well changed my tune on this since all the facts have come out. Kid didn't build anything, just took apart and repurposed.
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PV2 Scott Goodpasture
Really? I think the teacher should have said what's this an electronic anal probe?? And then proceeded to demonstrate his false interpretation on the little funny hadji prick
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the show of ignorance and racism by the school and the local gov is mind blowing. I'd sue the shit out of them if I was him.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
Cpl Jeff N. - I'll give you that, but they suspended him and embarrassed him to the point he felt the need to transfer.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
TSgt Hunter Logan - This Talented 14-Year-Old Made a Clock. So His School Got Him Arrested and Suspended.
—By Inae Oh | Wed Sep. 16, 2015 10:17 AM EDT
thats an exert from an article, they didn't lift the suspension.
—By Inae Oh | Wed Sep. 16, 2015 10:17 AM EDT
thats an exert from an article, they didn't lift the suspension.
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I can understand the school's initial concerns. Once they figured out that it was in fact a clock and combine that with the fact that he stated it was a clock and not something harmful, the issue should have never escalated in an arrest. Even the picture that I saw of the clock shows it clearly wasn't a bomb. Then again we are talking about institutions that punish kids for biting pop tarts in shapes that resemble firearms. Thankfully I don't have kids, and if I did I would home school them.
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SGT David T.
TSgt David L. - Any electronic device can be rigged to do that. What I noticed about the picture was the lack of anything resembling explosives, pipes, boxes, blocks of clay like substances etc. Like I said, I understand their initial concerns but afterwards when they figured out it wasn't a bomb the kid should have NEVER been put in cuffs.
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When faced with a decision one has to consider the consequences of his/her choices. In this case the consequence of assuming this was bomb and not a clock, if incorrect, were hurt feelings and a lot of uproar over perceived racial bias.
The consequence of assuming it was a clock and not a bomb, if incorrect could have been many deaths ans injury.
I am neither a bigot nor an overzealous person. I have been in charge of the security in two K-12 schools. Without a doubt or hesitation I would have gone with the theory that this was a bomb until proven that it was not.
Bringing this into a school building in today's world is simply not appropriate until everyone has been informed that it is indeed not a bomb. Obviously this was not done.
The consequence of assuming it was a clock and not a bomb, if incorrect could have been many deaths ans injury.
I am neither a bigot nor an overzealous person. I have been in charge of the security in two K-12 schools. Without a doubt or hesitation I would have gone with the theory that this was a bomb until proven that it was not.
Bringing this into a school building in today's world is simply not appropriate until everyone has been informed that it is indeed not a bomb. Obviously this was not done.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Capt (Join to see) - And yet, still suspended. I wonder what the reason for the suspension was on the paperwork.
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Capt (Join to see)
Good question, perhaps there really is two sides to the story. Again, neither I nor anyone else who has been so convinced of their opinion were there.
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COL Ted Mc
Lt Col (Join to see) - Captain; A very interesting question.
I can't really see them putting "REASON FOR SUSPENSION - IF NOT suspended the actions we took towards this student will make the school administration look like a bunch of idiots and potentially render the School District liable for a substantial damage award being assessed against it. IF suspended the School District can claim that it was only following orders." down on paper.
I can't really see them putting "REASON FOR SUSPENSION - IF NOT suspended the actions we took towards this student will make the school administration look like a bunch of idiots and potentially render the School District liable for a substantial damage award being assessed against it. IF suspended the School District can claim that it was only following orders." down on paper.
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