A tough career decision in the making. Stay enlisted or go to the dark side?

2015-10-22T22:22:21-04:00

I have come to the conclusion I will be staying in the Army for a minimum 20 years. The real question is do I stay enlisted or go commisioned? I love leading soldiers and love teaching soldiers. There comes a point to think about my family and my future what is best for us. The benefits of both are great but, I see my self leaning more towards going green to gold. Thoughts?

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Oct 22 at 2015 10:25 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member whichever way do it from the heart, I would go with my strengths and weakness and improvements pertaining to leadership.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2015 11:17 PM

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I second what SFC Joe S. Davis said. If you don't have 100% fulfillment in what you do, then you should reconsider how you're serving the Army. One thing to consider is going Warrant. Become an SME in a particular field and at some point, you'll be advising NCO's; something that is bound to happen sooner or later as you progress in the ranks on the Enlisted side. Best of luck!

Response by 1SG Eric Rice made Oct 22 at 2015 11:31 PM

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Leadership is about influence. So do not ever feel that by progressing you will be letting someone down. Whether that progression is in the NCO Corps or Officer Corps is up to you. Your decisions now may very well be someone else's inspiration to make the decision to be a career soldier or choose a similar path. Either way you choose give it your all and don't forget to take time for your family.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2015 11:41 PM

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This is your decision to make after talking it over with your family. Whether you are enlisted or an officer, you will still have the opportunity to lead soldiers. Best wishes going forward!

Response by COL Charles Williams made Oct 23 at 2015 12:12 AM

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I went to the dark side in 1985... I did not/do not consider it the dark side. SSG Private RallyPoint Member. If you consider it the dark side... you probably should stay where you are. Your heart needs to be where you are. Officers also are leaders. The real question is... Why do you think you want to be an officer... or go to the dark side... ?

Response by Cpl Tou Lee Yang made Oct 23 at 2015 12:26 AM

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If being an officer who's rank and privileges is superior to that of an enlisted, then I should've joined the dark side from the start. What I don't understand is all these illogical comment about how being an officer is so bad. Hell, I would love to be in a position of power where I will always be someone's boss and have only a few people above me.

I won't have to put up with all the BS that comes from being an enlisted. No BS about field day, inspection, hurry up and wait formation BS, and the list goes on and on...Enlisted are nothing more than servant to the officers.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2015 1:14 AM

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To be honest I don't find anything wrong with using your education to progress in your military career. Not only will you have the opportunity to better yourself but you will also have the chance to make impression on Soldiers enlisted and commissioned alike. A rank gives you status but it doesn't affect your influence only you can do that. Make the decision based on what will be best for you and where you feel you are needed!

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made Oct 23 at 2015 3:17 AM

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The important question to ask is will you be taught how to shoot lightning from your fingers at those who fail to follow your orders. If not then I wouldn't do it.

Honestly though SGT, I think you would find either path beneficial. You could stay enlisted and work your way up the ranks either becoming a SNCO who would probably do more admin related jobs or you could go WO and stay in a technical aspect of your job if your job has WOs (I don't know much about the Army, don't judge me). Becoming an officer will of course mean a considerable boost to your pay but with it comes a lot of responsibility and again will ultimately lead to doing more back office types of jobs. Either way you will have the opportunity to lead and mentor your troops. When considering pay in particular O is the right choice but if you love your job in particular and want to stick with that then you may want to stay E or go WO.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2015 3:45 AM

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I cant lie, I actually thought about it myself. What I did take into consideration is what I would be able to do, from a soldier standpoint. I'm entirely too hands on to be behind a desk doing paperwork all day (25N). For me, it just makes more sense to go Warrant Officer. My only thing is make sure you are ready for that increased responsibility if you choose to go the Officer route. Sure, the money is a good reason, but would you be happy in that position? Think about it long and hard before you make a decision.

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Oct 23 at 2015 7:52 AM

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Get your commission and become the officer for you always wanted to lead you

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Oct 23 at 2015 7:55 AM

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I was a Green to Gold guy in 1992, SMA (ret) Jack Tilley was my Brigade CSM, he shared his spent several hours with me to see what my motivation was. He made a comment that actually was very powerful in the direction throughout the my service...."They are called Officers because they will primarily work in an office......there are only a couple times they will be around Soldiers, 12 months as a Platoon Leader, 18 months as a Company Commander and very little interaction with Soldiers after that."

I ask that you consider what is really important to you before you make a decision, and the family has to be on board with the decision.

Response by SGT William Howell made Oct 23 at 2015 8:26 AM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member I was in the same boat as you. I was approved for OCS when I returned from Iraq. An IED ended that dream before I could fulfill it.

I loved leading and training young soldiers. When I was deciding if I was going to put in my OCS packet I had to decide did I want to lead or train. As enlisted you can do both, but leading is always going to be limited to those under you. As an officer you don't get to train young soldiers, that is NCO business. For me I wanted to lead and make a difference. I found a officer that helped me better understand what command was going to be like. He also helped me decide what branch I wanted. I made my decision because of his help. I suggest you do the same.

Response by CDR Terry Boles made Oct 23 at 2015 10:14 AM

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SGT Jalen Swanson
As a mustang officer I can tell you I have no regrets commissioning in 1997 (still AD), prior Navy enlisted 17-years. When I made the decision to make the military a career I also made the decision that I wanted to be in a position to make a difference, to somehow make improvements that were not temporary. As enlisted it is easy enough to see the ruts, as an officer you have more of an opportunity to smooth out those ruts. Having practical hands on experience on both sides brings a wealth of insight to the table to implement those changes needed. You will never experience the level of leadership afforded to an officer if you stay enlisted, and yes both career enlisted and officer will be pushed upstairs eventually with less hands on detail day-to-day activities and interactions with the troops; it goes with the job. As to pay, you can simply double your retirement pay which is an important family consideration as well, for someday you will retire.

Certainly a lot to think about. As others suggested, if you are on the fence about this seek out a mentor both enlisted an officer, but remember it is you that has to make that career choice, and yes that decision will ultimately affect your family which should have a voice in the decision as well.

I wish you the best!!

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Oct 23 at 2015 8:46 PM

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Either way you go, you've won already. It takes a lot to make the military a career, so kudos to you. But in doing so, whatever way you go, 1. DON'T use money as an excuse to make a decision. It's only temporary. 2. Stay true to yourself, and if your hit the other side, DO NOT forget your creed. It's going to set you apart IMO. 3. If you go to the other side, DO NOT be that LT that gets everyone lost. 4. Remember where you came from. If it seems messed up as an NCO it's still going to be messed up as an officer. Use that NCO mind and fix it rather than complain about it. 5. DO NOT leave the MP Corps. I love both of my MOS. but without a doubt had the most fun as a Mudpuppy. Nobody likes us to include us. 6. The NCO mind trick doesn't work anymore once you complete OCS. Sorry, but some things are reserved just for us.

Response by CW4 Juan Morales made Oct 24 at 2015 5:25 AM

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Like the COL stated earlier, becoming an officer does not imply going to the dark side. In the last 14 years since becoming a warrant officer, I've wondered equally how things would have turned out if I had commissioned as a lieutenant, or if I'd stayed enlisted. I was a SSG when I attended WOCS and sometimes I miss being an NCO. Having said that, consider becoming a warrant officer. The prestige you have as a non commissioned officer is something you'll keep if you get appointed in your technical field. You have opportunities to bring your experience to advise field grade officers, and that same afternoon act as a trainer for a group of enlisted soldiers. You would be a technical and tactical expert and leader. It's been my experience that you might hate your 1SG or your commander, but most people like the chief.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 24 at 2015 6:14 AM

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Why do you think you would be a good leader as an officer?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2015 6:36 AM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member you need to really examine your strengths and weaknesses. Decide how you want to impact the future of the Army, from a strategic level or more of a direct level? As an NCO, you are more directly involved with training Soldiers. As an Officer, you are more involved with shaping the vision and scope of training but have less direct interaction with Soldiers. So you need to decide, which style suits you better? Additionally, as others have stated, you should consider your family's opinion on the matter.

Response by SrA Jonathan Carbonaro made Oct 24 at 2015 11:31 AM

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Ask yourself what is better for your family? More money on the dark side, and you could make a bigger difference sooner to your troops.

Response by Capt Terry Fillmore made Oct 25 at 2015 4:02 PM

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When I was a sergeant, I was a crypto technician, and I really liked what I was doing. I received a meritorious mast for my work and scored perfect scores on the PFT. My shop chief thought that I would make a good officer and told me I should apply. I did, and I was commissioned 4 years later. In my case it was a mistake. I found that I was much more comfortable in the trenches, working with my hands, rather than supervising. Fast forward 27 years. I am a high school math teacher. I am in the trenches with the kids. Although I had been approached in 2006 about becoming a school administrator, I quickly turned it down, because more money does not make one content. I've learned from my mistakes. When I was an E-5, I don't think I was mature enough to really know what I wanted. If you make a bad decision, it's hard to go back. I had a lot of ups and downs throughout my life because of that one decision.

Response by MSG Kevin Elliott made Oct 25 at 2015 9:16 PM

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This is a situation I can relate to. At one time, I was asked to submit an OCS packet. My Company Commander had been an NCO in the company before he got out and went to college (ROTC); my Executive Officer was enlisted before applying to and being accepted to West Point; and my Platoon Leader was enlisted and went through OCS. I decided that I wanted more day-to-day contact with my soldiers and stayed enlisted to have a direct impact on soldiers.
I have used the comment that if you want to be a leader, then stay enlisted because most officers spend more time in staff positions than in leadership positions.
I have also had new Platoon Leaders assigned to the platoon and tell me how they didn't need anything from me because they had been a Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, or Sergeant First Class before OCS. I would always respond to them that was fine, because I already have more time as a Platoon Leader than they will ever have.

Response by MAJ Jeff Coulter made Oct 27 at 2015 12:50 PM

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SGT Swanson, I made the switch to the dark side as a SSG. There have been many times (most involving sitting at a computer making Powerpoint slides!) that I have regretted that decision. As a LT, I missed not being able to be in the mix with my Soldiers. It was not really until I got my first company that I realized that I was still a leader, but I had the opportunity to directly influence Soldiers' lives on a larger scale than I ever could as an NCO. Once I became a field-grade officer and realized the difference between unit and organizational leadership, it really emphasized what my decision meant for the Army at large. On top of that, the difference in income (to include retirement pay) has been significant. I believe that I made the best decision for myself and my family. I say go for it. Become 2LT Swanson! Good luck and God bless.

Response by MAJ Jeff Coulter made Oct 27 at 2015 12:53 PM

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By the way, a lot of Soldiers refer to being an officer as "the dark side" simply because they don't really know anything about it. It is definitely not dark! I love being an Army officer and do not regret my decision.

Response by Sgt Tom O'Brien made Oct 27 at 2015 1:44 PM

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not sure if this is an option for you.....Go warrant officer

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2015 2:00 PM

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does your MOS offer opportunities to become a warrant officer? If not, pursue commissioned opportunities since you've already made the decision for longevity. You will probably find that most senior NCOs never intended to stay 20, much less PAST 20.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Oct 27 at 2015 4:52 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member Choice is a freedom and given the fact you have had the responsibility of being the backbone of the Army your goal is to be the best you, you can be.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2015 5:01 PM

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I was a NCO before I commissioned, and value my decision to become an officer. It has allowed me to lead and even train Soldiers at a much greater level, and then guide the entire unit to success. The satisfaction of getting squads and platoons to work together and accomplish a goal or mission is one of the most professionally satisfying things I have ever done. Do I miss being one of the guys? Sure. But I know that the work I put into making sure they can train and accomplish the mission is far more important. I became the leader I wanted, and have succeeded because of that attitude and approach. At a certain point, you move away from Soldiers, but it's actually quite a time off. Even as a staff OIC I had Soldiers. Think hard about why you want to commission. Money isn't the end all be all, but it certainly helps, especially with family. Just do well wherever you are, that day. Everything else works itself out.

Response by LTC Eric Coger made Oct 28 at 2015 4:02 AM

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I made that decision several years ago and I wouldn't go back. As a Staff Sergeant and squad leader, I had a lot of direct impact over my guys and I really loved being a part of a small team and leading Soldiers. As an officer, I have indeed spent more time on staff and away from troops, but as a BN S-3 I was able to protect training schedules, rebuff higher, and ask for clarification and RECLAMA things that the Soldiers never had to put up with because I stopped it. My direct impact on the training and leading of Soldiers may have layers between me and them, but my work impacts far more Soldiers in total. I also get to see the bigger picture (not all roses, but at least I am not in the dark about the process). I think having been prior service has made me a better officer, but whatever you do, don't make the decision based purely on finances. The officer corps has to put up with a whole different load of crap, not better or worse, just different.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2015 1:55 PM

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As you become Senior Enlisted, you find yourself not leading and teaching as much but more planning, coordinating, and overseeing. The reason I would have gone to the the gold side is the retirement $$$, the satisfaction of leading larger numbers of motivators, and leaving a larger footprint. But then again, I have been 100% satisfied with being an E-8 MSgt. I have been told numerous times what an impact I've had on Marines and the mission. And, I know that I will be leaving a large footprint. It really depends on what your comfortable with and where you think you'll have the most impact based on your skills and abilities. Good luck

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2015 3:00 PM

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I did it 18 years ago and have no regrets. The opportunities that you'll see over the course of your career are beyond anything you already know. Do it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 7:09 AM

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I did it and love it. The Officer side is a different challenge to tackle. If you enjoy planning and resourcing it is a great option. If you enjoy being technical go warrant and if you like boots on the ground and being resourceful stay enlisted. All are great career options just ask yourself where do you see yourself in 5 or even 10 years.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 12:14 PM

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I want to preface this post by saying I am in the Navy, not the Army. But I am a prior enlisted and went to Officer Candidates School. I understand the dark side references as I hear it all the time. All I can give you is my perspective. The higher you get in rank the less you will be involved in your day to day activities of your enlisted. But, that does not mean you will not have interaction with them. It is your job to make sure you know what's going on with them. It is easy to separate yourself if you believe what you do as an officer must be apart from them. That is an easy trap. It is easy for your soldiers to say it's an easier life for you if you portray that.
Your decisions are based on a bigger picture, based on what commanders above you are seeing. Your guys won't always get that. But overall it is your job to get your guys what they need to succeed at all levels. Sometimes that doesn't always equate to what they want. But overall, if you are coming from a standpoint that you have their backs and want them to succeed they will follow you. But it's your job to help them, not yourself.
My life has not gotten easier since being commissioned. Instead of answering to an E-7, I answer to an O-6. And I don't have the luxury of completing tasks, I have to devise those tasks, assign them and do it in a way that I am not wasting my guys time.
Always think about what your motivations for doing your job day to day are and that will guide you. I value my senior enlisted. It's their job to make me look good because it makes the unit or division look good. That men's giving me no BS assessments and possible solutions so I can push up what I think should happen. In turn, that means I need to have solutions, not problems without answers.
I am not even going to address money and pay. That should not factor into this. Because at the end of the day, happiness comes from your satisfaction with your work. I promise you.

Response by 2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 12:29 PM

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Self-reflection is key. Where are your strengths and talents focused? Where can YOU be of most service to the military? Not everyone is suited for the complexities and nuances of serving as a commissioned officer. If you think you can, do it. I was a Marine Infantry Platoom Sergeant once upon on a time. Best job in the world. Now I'm an enlisted Air Force aircraft mechanic that's been selected to put on the bars and go fly planes. I'm awaiting an OTS date. Can't wait. Not looking back. But what do YOU want to do?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 1:31 PM

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I have a friend who is an an Army Reserve unit. He is an E6 and a civilian unit technician. He also commands my local Civil Air Patrol cadet squadron. He has a lot of management and leadership skills including long-term strategic planning. He is working on his MBA. Ive noticed his skills and asked him about becoming and officer. He wants to stay an NCO because he like the direct work with soldiers. That is a personal decision. Yes officers make more money. The important thing is you want to enjoy what you do. Another option is warrant. They have the advantage of getting paid close to O-1 to O-5 but you stay in your field as a specialist; whereas commissioned officers are more of generalists (with exception of specialty branches like medical, chaplain or lawyer) Once appointed it less competitive to get promoted; and you normally can stay in longer.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 4:42 PM

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Speaking as a senior NCO, it depends on what you really enjoy doing. The higher in rank you get, the more you will be working closely with Officers. There is a big difference between authority and responsibility. Both jobs have their pros and cons, but if you truly enjoy working with Soldiers, I believe staying enlisted is your best bet. It also gives you a chance to implement and lead the plans given by the Officers, rather than just creating them.

Response by Maj Spencer Stone made Oct 29 at 2015 7:17 PM

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I spent 16 years enlisted in the USMC and USA and then commissioned in the USAF. It really depends on the goals you have: are you looking for a better retirement? Are you looking for a specific job in the officer world? Are you looking to position yourself in the officer corps for a civilian position down the road? My goal is what ultimately motivated me: I wanted to be a FAO and I eventually achieved that goal.

I had a hard time with the commission the first year or so, trying not to be that officer who still thought he was an NCO. I am sure there are some senior NCOs out there who did not appreciate me (and maybe still don't!) I really enjoyed the leadership aspect during my enlisted time and I sought opportunities when available as an officer. In my experience, the prior service guys had more opportunities and when they did not present themselves, go look for them, they are there.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 7:24 PM

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I always hated the term "dark side"...there are good and bad officers just like there are good and NCOs.

One reason I sought a commission was simple: like many Soldiers and NCOs, I always seemed to disagree with how or why we would do something and a friend said "if you are so smart, then you should try to be an officer"...so I did. Of course, I made my fair share of mistakes but there is a certain pride and satisfaction you always feel when you see a good plan come together (yep, just like the A-Team saying). Good luck!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 8:00 PM

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I am also considering green to gold.

Response by SCPO Henri McCrae made Oct 29 at 2015 10:57 PM

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young man it is obvious why you having this decision then you are a great leader what must be decided is that are you going to be a great leader of a squad or you going to be a great leader of battalion being a retired man the money is better on the dark side and anyone who has the chance to experience it shouldwhen it was offered to me I turned it down I regret that

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 12:23 AM

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I definitely understand. I have been contemplating the same issue. Even though I love being with my Soldiers, my retirement check will not reflect that, nor will it pay for my Masters degree. I am strongly considering it upon finishing my degree next year. Sometimes you have to put your own family and self first.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 1:00 AM

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Superior leadership is needed throughout Enlisted and Officer corps. With over 13 years of enlisted service of my 27+, I have never regretted my decision to apply for a commission. Those whom lead, mentor, train, coach, and manage will continue to find ways to impact the lives of our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines in whatever station or position we find ourselves. God bless and guide you and your family on this big decision and best of luck in your future service.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 2:41 AM

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SGT Swanson - First and foremost, thank you for making the decision to serve your country, above all else, you have done more than 99% of your civilian peers. Like many others who have responded to you, I started out enlisted. Our intent was to serve 6 years, pay down some school loans and go back to coaching football... some 22 years later I'm still trying to find the door! You are right to think about your family and providing for them, but don't be fooled by the money, or the "greater freedom" that some think exists on the other side. I've found, and I'm sure my wife would agree, that the higher rank I've attained has come with exponentially greater responsibilities and much LESS freedom or control of my time. On the other hand, I've had some incredible opportunities that would not have been available to me as an enlisted Soldier. Many Soldiers and NCOs feel that officers don't teach or train, that's a very unfortunate perception. The roles are different, but neither role has a monopoly on teaching, training, mentoring, or leading. Before you take the plunge, ask yourself why you feel motivated to make this change? What do you hope and expect to accomplish or achieve? What will it mean to your family? How much are you willing to sacrifice to continue serving? Finally, do you have a good officer mentor? If you do, great, consult them as well on this decision. If not, get one. Best wishes to you and your family. Whatever you decide, go all in and don't look back!

Response by LTC G. R. Thompson made Oct 30 at 2015 9:32 AM

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Great question and one that should be made with your family. As one who chose OCS at 7 years in, and one who has served extensively in the ROTC community, I am of the belief that if you can get a commission, you should. Mavericks are needed and sometimes provide the only common-sense, soldier caring voice to the decision making process. My ROTC program has had great experiences with prior service NCOs in our program. They already know most of the basics of moving 40+ people in a common direction and we can use that experience to coach and mentor those in the program with less experience. We can also take them farther down the Critical Thinking path toward the more analytical aspects of leadership decision making. Good luck as you consider your future. God's speed.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 1:28 PM

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If you enjoy your skill trade (i.e. MOS) then stay enlisted or maybe go warrant. If you like the organizational leadership aspect and the planning, as well as the responsibility, then go officer. Just don't be surprised if you don't get to do "joe stuff" as much as you used to. But I would say, above all else, you have buy into the idea the officers are the points of success and failure of their organizations.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 2:52 PM

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I originally enlisted in 1995 and in 2002 I made the choice to go Green to Gold. I am currently a BN XO and I still enjoy leading, developing and interacting with Soldiers. I now spend most of my time in the BN HQs, but I get out as much as possible. I now have a greater Sphere of influence and now I directly develop and lead junior and company grade officer. My greatest passion is leading, developing and inspiring each person to do their best. It sounds corny but that is my passion and one of the reasons I switched over. I did not switch for any one reason and it was not an easy decision for me. I have always enjoyed leading Soldiers and that is the most rewarding at the Squad level. I changed over 1st to be the first in my family to earn a college degree. 2nd to have a larger area of influence, so that I could ensure a positive climate. 3rd, the pay is better and so will the retirement check be after I retire. The money is part of it but it is not the only or even primary reason. I have had the opportunity all the way through Captain to do a lot of cool assignments that allowed me to stay close to the ground and out of the office but we all end up spending more time there as we progress. If you have ambition then you will end up in the office unless you get out and become a welder, mechanic, truck driver etc. I grew up working manual labor jobs and come from a blue collar family, but for me and my family this was the best decision and my family is proud of who I have become and the accomplishments. Had I remained enlisted they would have been just as proud and I strongly feel that NCOs remain the key to our Army's success. The most rewarding thing for me is the opportunity to develop and positively influence current and future leaders and the unit climate, and I still get to do that on a regular basis. The same person who was a Private over 20 years ago is still alive in me today and I have never let my rank make me. I have instead used that rank to better serve the Soldiers I am privileged to work for.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2015 9:03 AM

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A Commissioned Officer holds a commission from the President of the USA and can command those under them both officers and enlisted personnel. Commissioned Officers give enlisted personnel including NCOs the orders in which they act to conduct the Army business.
NCOs can ASSISTS Officers to determine the specific tasks necessary to complete a mission. NCOs receive orders from Commissioned Officers and assign tasks to lower ranking enlisted personnel.
The greatest difference between Commissioned and NCOs lies in the level of authority. A Commissioned Officer can command all enlisted personnel and other Officers under his command. An NCO cannot command Commissioned Officers except those placed under his command for training.
Similarity is they both work for the same employer: The US Army. The Commissioned Officer serves in a senior management role, he has been entrusted with the control of those lesser rank in the Army. NCOs serve in the middle management role, receiving orders from Officers and ensuring that the lower ranking personnel carry the Orders to the letter.
Now that you know the difference, weigh it out and decide which suits you best, to command or to carry out orders. Hoping this enlightens you on the road you want to take. Good luck.

Response by MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect made Oct 31 at 2015 9:36 AM

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Go to OCS. You will continue to get paid and your service time doesn't stop.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2015 10:45 AM

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1SG Rice said it good, “Leadership is about influence.” We are ALL leaders whether good or bad, someone is always watching. Being enlisted o officer is not going to change your commitment while wearing the uniform, your job and position may change, you may be chained more to an office then the outdoors overseeing training but both is making a different if they’re committed from the heart.

My advice, do your packet and at the conclusion of your packet just before submission, you’ll know if you want to or not. You may decide at that point not too but the following year you will cross over. At least your packet is close to being done with a few updates and you’re not rushing to meet any suspense.

The next thing to consider, with the Army downsizing and wanting more capable and responsible Soldiers to remain, you must look at your MOS. Not every MOS makes it to the senior ranks, it’s very competitive. Will your MOS allow you to achieve the rank you want to influence our future leaders? Will you achieve the rank to successfully retire and take care of your family without struggles financially? If not, do you need to make additional contribution into your TSP? Will your spouse have to work and do you have enough forecasted for your children’s education beyond your 9/11 GI Bill?

Talk to spouse; see what she thinks regardless of your final decision. Make her a part of your decision as she’s been there for the ride. Then pray, preferably together. The prayer of Agreement is the most powerful prayer a husband and wife can pray. One can put a 1,000 to flight and two can put 10,000 o flight.

Your closing thoughts have you leaning so take time and consider these words.

CSM Uhlig also made important comments that weighs, one is to consider what's really important to you and the other is having the family on board which it seems you've done so please don’t consider these input lightly and have a Bless journey whichever direction you decide!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2015 11:12 AM

2015-10-31T11:12:38-04:00

The bottom line, do what will make you happy. If you can make a decent living as an NCO and that's what you love to do then stick with it. We need NCOs with that passion. If being an Officer is what you want in life then be an Officer. We need good passionate and professional officers. The only right answer is to do what you have the passion for. I came to that same split in the road. For me, I loved being an NCO training, influencing, and being around Soldiers. Did I think about the money? Hells yes I did, but my happiness and doing what I love was more important.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 3:13 AM

2015-11-01T03:13:07-05:00

I entered the Navy in January 1989, knowing what I know now I wish I had Commissioned sooner. I did 20 years enlisted, active and reserve status. Twice the pay with half the work is my saying now. Granted the work load is the same just the respect as a LDO is so worth it.

Response by SPC Donald King made Nov 1 at 2015 3:32 AM

2015-11-01T03:32:15-05:00

Was my dream once upon a time wasn't in the cards. I say go for it honor today isn't was it use to be so if you purse it bring it back. Always remember the men and women your battle buds. We swore, or affirmed to protect against foreign or domestic enemies. I was to young to understand President Kennedys, speech but it blew my mind how he spoke of evil forces such as the illuminate, selling us out but what they do not know once they take power they'll be slaves of the state cuz they forgot China not going to stand for this. I guess as the saying go they can get so smart and end up so dumb..lol thank the Lord for good ole common sense. U get those bars and fight were u can and bring America back. Can't speak for anybody but me but I'm for Jesus the good book is batting 100. For God and Country.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 7:58 AM

2015-11-01T07:58:58-05:00

Sgt Swanson, you have a great question. I too, was an NCO, and had to make the same decision during my career. I can say, it was the best decision of my life. As an officer, I'm able to take better care of my family and my soldiers. It's the soldiers that define who I am as an officer and having the history as an NCO and walking several miles in their boots, we have mutual respect and trust for one another. Officers plan and NCOs execute that plan, thus, having the previous knowledge of the execution phase, makes for better planning. In the end that can save soldiers lives and make for a better outcome for those involved.
My family is happier that I'm an officer because I'm happier. In closing, to retire an officer, civilian career opportunities at higher paying salaries is a plus since you've been responsible for more people and more equipment. Of course, this is my opinion and you know what they say about opinions?
Good luck!! One last thing. Never forget where you came from.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 10:45 PM

2015-11-05T22:45:36-05:00

The way MP grade plating is set up, after two years of Squad Leader time you'll have limited interaction with Soldiers, you'll primarily have Staff Jobs unless you go Drill or Instructor. Think about that too.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2016 2:13 PM

2016-01-17T14:13:35-05:00

I've been wrestling with this question myself for a few years now, and especially since last month when I finished my MA. I have a great MOS, a great unit, good soldiers under my command, and pretty good leadership. I made SSG in just less than six years. All in all, I've had a pretty good career in the USAR. Now I'm coming up on eight years, and I'm starting to wonder how far up the commissioned ladder my experience and education might take me.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jun 28 at 2016 10:04 AM

2016-06-28T10:04:57-04:00

If You have positive support, go Officer; however, if your support is lukewarm stay enlisted.

Response by SP5 Andrew Guyton made Jul 29 at 2017 11:43 AM

2017-07-29T11:43:58-04:00

Go for the commission!!
The benefits are much greater in the long run!

Response by COL Barry Johnson made Aug 1 at 2017 11:25 AM

2017-08-01T11:25:20-04:00

Should you choose to become an officer, you will progress beyond platoon leader and company commander to train, lead and mentor the officers who work under you. There is really only a handful of people you can truly influence at any given time to help become better leaders, soldiers and people. Whether you decide to do that as an officer or non-commissioned officer is a personal choice. You will certainly find a lot of E-8s and E-9s holding down those office jobs, so don't think staying enlisted will keep you on the ground with the soldiers you love. As a leader, you will decide where to spend you time. If it's with the troops, you have the freedom and authority to do just that.