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I think having an NCO write their own NCOER is a leadership failure. How are we supposed to trust leaders who can't even keep track of the accomplishments and performance of their direct subordinates?
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MSG Jan Glock
Thank you SGT Wiley. As an E-5, I had excellent leaders who actually knew me and evaluated me on my NCOERs, and used them as a mentoring tool. As an E-6 and above, not so much. I had very little input on NCOERs other than critiquing and correcting wording or grammar, sometimes only a bullet or two. Not complaining, just stating a fact.
One of my mentors said that "who knows me better than myself"? I thought it was a cop-out at the time.
Personally, I think that my subordinates deserve a fair and just evaluation by me as their leader and as a mentor. Why else are they so important in the civilian world as well?
Let me know what you think.
One of my mentors said that "who knows me better than myself"? I thought it was a cop-out at the time.
Personally, I think that my subordinates deserve a fair and just evaluation by me as their leader and as a mentor. Why else are they so important in the civilian world as well?
Let me know what you think.
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I’ve had six Platoon Leaders as a Platoon Sergeant and now five different Commanders as a First Sergeant. Honestly, it depends on the situation. At the end of the day, someone must write the evaluation. If we have a rater unwilling/unable to write our report card, we must use it as a teaching mechanism.
The truth is many Officers (and NCOs) are not skilled at writing NCOERs nor are they versed in the SGM/CSM-isms that usually must be adhered to (different topic/gripe for a separate day). As NCOs are responsible for the training of individuals, crews, and small teams, we owe it to our Officer counterparts to mentor and develop them. I wrote NCOERs for myself, provided shells/examples bullets to help guide and shape the conversation, also I have done nothing and had the evaluation written for me. In my experience, those who counseled me regularly were good at writing the evaluation.
I have found it effective to help coach those poor counselors/raters along by sitting down with them and pointing them in the right direction using the following technique: Personally I like to reference previous counseling (unless that leader failed to counsel), and type out my thoughts in a MS Word document – full sentence, paragraphs, two-word thoughts, however. Once I have all my thoughts on paper, I work to quantify each thought. From there I begin to turn my thoughts into bullet format ensuring formatting is correct. Then I will crack open a few previous years’ worth of post-board AARs and ensure I’m keeping pace with ever-changing standards/best practices. Then we copy/paste the bullets onto the form, starting with the strongest bullets first.
The truth is many Officers (and NCOs) are not skilled at writing NCOERs nor are they versed in the SGM/CSM-isms that usually must be adhered to (different topic/gripe for a separate day). As NCOs are responsible for the training of individuals, crews, and small teams, we owe it to our Officer counterparts to mentor and develop them. I wrote NCOERs for myself, provided shells/examples bullets to help guide and shape the conversation, also I have done nothing and had the evaluation written for me. In my experience, those who counseled me regularly were good at writing the evaluation.
I have found it effective to help coach those poor counselors/raters along by sitting down with them and pointing them in the right direction using the following technique: Personally I like to reference previous counseling (unless that leader failed to counsel), and type out my thoughts in a MS Word document – full sentence, paragraphs, two-word thoughts, however. Once I have all my thoughts on paper, I work to quantify each thought. From there I begin to turn my thoughts into bullet format ensuring formatting is correct. Then I will crack open a few previous years’ worth of post-board AARs and ensure I’m keeping pace with ever-changing standards/best practices. Then we copy/paste the bullets onto the form, starting with the strongest bullets first.
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SSG Robert Webster
1SG (Join to see) - I am glad to see that in some units in the 82nd continue to do what they have been doing for a number of years. This is in alignment with what I experienced when I was in the 82nd twenty to thirty years ago.
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SSG Robert Webster
MSG Jan Glock - I also did a tour in Korea with the JSA at Camp Bonifas. I started my service in the 82nd in 1976 and retired from the service in the 82nd in 1996. I was lucky enough that all of my assignments were hard and rewarding during my 20 years of service.
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I wrote my own NCOERs when I was enlisted. I can rate myself better than anyone else can. Plus I never trusted anyone else with my career. I also think my raters appreciated it because I was a better writer than they were. Maybe I just like to be in control because I never allow those who I rate to write their own. I can rate them better and give them the rating they deserve.
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