Posted on Jul 13, 2015
Assisted death / Dignified deaths and depression. Who has the right to die? Your opinion IS?
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"He asked Tom why he had scheduled the meeting."
“Because you killed my mother,” Tom replied.
Distelmans responded calmly that it was Godelieva’s “absolute wish” to die.
Bieseman recalled, “He was screaming, ‘You went along with the madness of my mother! You went along with her tunnel vision, her defeatism. You’ve just taken away the suffering of one person and transposed it to another!’ ”
Distelmans repeated that he was certain that Godelieva had wanted to die, and that this was her right. Then he said that it seemed there was nothing left to discuss. They all stood up and shook hands..."
“Wouldn’t it be better to invest in mental health and palliative care?”
I am just shaking my head. I don't know how to feel about this at all.
This is a long, but great read. It is only occurring in Belgium At THE MOMENT. It's hard for me to agree to such a thing. I know there was a piece in PEOPLE'S magazine about a woman "... Brittany Maynard, a twenty-nine-year-old newlywed who moved to Oregon last year so that she could die on her own terms rather than allowing her brain cancer to take its course. Her story appeared on the cover of People, which described her as having the “soul of an adventurer and the heart of a warrior.” She became the poster child for assisted death..."
I really get it for times like that, but I find it hard to agree with someone who is depressed to get death assistance. It's a legal form of suicide for me. I have had too many friends take their life because of the disease. What I also found out was that they were also into drugs / alcohol, things that intensify the illness. There are ways to better yourself. I find this very selfish, especially in this family's case.
Though, sometimes, one acquiring about the "assisted Death" sometimes talk their way out of making the decision to die, I just don't think it should be as simple as three doctors agreeing that one is just so depressed, that they shouldn't live any longer.
"He said that most of his patients, even those who are approved for euthanasia, end up deciding that they want to live. But he rejects the idea that suicide is always an indication of pathology. “There’s a whole philosophical history of looking at suicide as a rational choice,” he said. “We, as humans, have the possibility to weigh our own life and decide to end it.”
"When he gives lectures, he tries to appeal to Christian audiences by saying, 'If Jesus were here, I think he would help these people.”'" I believe he absolutely would, but not by killing them, but through healing.
I mean, in the end I guess that is something some depressed people do. I just wish it wasn't becoming so damn easy. This breaks my heart. And the FACT that the doctors say it is the SON that ultimately pushed her the last straw? The one that is so angry with the physicians? I mean, how much guilt are they going to put on this person's back. Just unbelievable.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/22/the-death-treatment
“Because you killed my mother,” Tom replied.
Distelmans responded calmly that it was Godelieva’s “absolute wish” to die.
Bieseman recalled, “He was screaming, ‘You went along with the madness of my mother! You went along with her tunnel vision, her defeatism. You’ve just taken away the suffering of one person and transposed it to another!’ ”
Distelmans repeated that he was certain that Godelieva had wanted to die, and that this was her right. Then he said that it seemed there was nothing left to discuss. They all stood up and shook hands..."
“Wouldn’t it be better to invest in mental health and palliative care?”
I am just shaking my head. I don't know how to feel about this at all.
This is a long, but great read. It is only occurring in Belgium At THE MOMENT. It's hard for me to agree to such a thing. I know there was a piece in PEOPLE'S magazine about a woman "... Brittany Maynard, a twenty-nine-year-old newlywed who moved to Oregon last year so that she could die on her own terms rather than allowing her brain cancer to take its course. Her story appeared on the cover of People, which described her as having the “soul of an adventurer and the heart of a warrior.” She became the poster child for assisted death..."
I really get it for times like that, but I find it hard to agree with someone who is depressed to get death assistance. It's a legal form of suicide for me. I have had too many friends take their life because of the disease. What I also found out was that they were also into drugs / alcohol, things that intensify the illness. There are ways to better yourself. I find this very selfish, especially in this family's case.
Though, sometimes, one acquiring about the "assisted Death" sometimes talk their way out of making the decision to die, I just don't think it should be as simple as three doctors agreeing that one is just so depressed, that they shouldn't live any longer.
"He said that most of his patients, even those who are approved for euthanasia, end up deciding that they want to live. But he rejects the idea that suicide is always an indication of pathology. “There’s a whole philosophical history of looking at suicide as a rational choice,” he said. “We, as humans, have the possibility to weigh our own life and decide to end it.”
"When he gives lectures, he tries to appeal to Christian audiences by saying, 'If Jesus were here, I think he would help these people.”'" I believe he absolutely would, but not by killing them, but through healing.
I mean, in the end I guess that is something some depressed people do. I just wish it wasn't becoming so damn easy. This breaks my heart. And the FACT that the doctors say it is the SON that ultimately pushed her the last straw? The one that is so angry with the physicians? I mean, how much guilt are they going to put on this person's back. Just unbelievable.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/22/the-death-treatment
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This is a catch 22. If I'm sane enough to make the decision, I wouldn't make the decision. If I'm not sane enough, I can't make the decision.
However I wouldn't want my loved ones to watch me suffer, nor would I want to watch my loved ones suffer.
However I wouldn't want my loved ones to watch me suffer, nor would I want to watch my loved ones suffer.
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I am actually with you on that Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
I am a DNR. IF I am gone, I am gone. Don't keep me alive with machines. I would much rather go the diginified route if I have so many weeks to live. I wouldn't want to suffer and I sure would not want my family to see me that way as well. So I understand that side. The depression side, I am very very torn.
I am a DNR. IF I am gone, I am gone. Don't keep me alive with machines. I would much rather go the diginified route if I have so many weeks to live. I wouldn't want to suffer and I sure would not want my family to see me that way as well. So I understand that side. The depression side, I am very very torn.
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SGT (Join to see) I agree with SCPO David Lockwood, but and here comes the "but" I have a living will that gives specific instructions that about when and how the plug will be pulled on me if something happens and I can't make that decision for myself (others will need to make it). That is one example of what I consider to be Assisted Death. My second example is, if I'm suffering from an illness and don't want to suffer any longer than why can't I ask those around me to assist in my death without repercussions? I think we as individuals have that right, so why can't we exercise it without our love ones being charged for murder. I would rather see the Supreme Court make the right decision on this then some of the other stuff they have been working on. Just an opinion that I'm sure some with agree with and some won't.
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I agree as well. What I didn't agree with is how this doctor did it without consulting any of the family members. They found out moms chose this path through the good bye letter. In her diary, it states that if she had a better relationship with son and grandkids, she would be in a better state, but not one of her children were given an opportunity to fix the problem. They could've. Depression is a disease that's treatable. The whole thing sounded very fishy. COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SGT (Join to see) after watching this movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVRnG1MddAM, my vision about assisted death or euthanasia changed. Because although we all are against suicide, I think this is something different. This person is trying to do it "the right way", even though there's no right way for it.
This movie is about a true story that I still remember when it happened. Is an eye opener...
This movie is about a true story that I still remember when it happened. Is an eye opener...
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I just did some extra reading up on this. I would HATE to have to live that way and would probably want to able to die in a dignified way. That is for sure. The main thing I am focusing on, and maybe I didn't make myself clear in my original post, is how someone could say that I was SO depressed that I would never ever want to live again. That there isn't something that could be done for it, had they been given a chance. This doctor took the money and the easy way out. SGT(P) (Join to see)
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