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<font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">When I crossed over I was surprised to see how much officers use the ORB as a way to measure and look into officers who were new to the unit or on assignment to the command. </font><p></p><p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">I have yet to see HRC Assignment Managers or Battalions and Brigades using ERBs to select and train NCOs. What are your thoughts? </font></p>
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Just because you do not see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. ;)<br><br>In my last assignment, the regimental CSM and I used the ERBs (as well as iPerms) of all SSGs and above for selection/assignment purposes. In most of the unit's I've been involved with, senior leadership will review the records (to include ERBs) of SFCs and above for assignment to key positions within units.<br><br>SGTs and below are more abundant and can be interchanged from one unit to another.
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MAJ Samuel Weber
That's great to hear! I think it is a great tool and
encourages Soldiers to manage their careers more closely and update their ERBs
regularly.
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MSG Tim Waychoff
I also have sat with SGMs and CSMs as a part of this very process and personally made recommendations/decisions as to where SSGs and SFCs may best fit our unit's needs.
It does provide a snapshot into where the NCO has been assigned and what experiences you should expect them to bring to your unit.
It does provide a snapshot into where the NCO has been assigned and what experiences you should expect them to bring to your unit.
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A lot of 1SG's or CSM's will ask for the NCO's ERB and last NCOER as soon as they get to the unit. I know I have and also had fellow NCO's get asked by e-mail with their welcome packet to the unit for both. I have seen a lot of the times when NCO's have certain Schools on their ERB's they get selected for additional duties or positions outside their MOS. This can sometimes hurt the NCO especially if the position is outside a valued position for promotion. Being a schools NCO or working land and ammo is great but not if you do not have any leadership experience documented and you get stuck there because something is on your ERB.
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MAJ Samuel Weber
Great point SFC Hagy. I would hope that the BN/BDE CSMs would maybe put a young NCO in positions like that as a broadening experience, but only for a year so they could get it documented and then move back to leading troops.
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MSG Tim Waychoff
I can assure you - in my experiences with this process - that this is taken into account when the ERB is reviewed. It is the responsibility of the SNCOs who are conducting those reviews to fill the unit's needs and to develop those junior NCOs to best meet the Army's needs overall.
It is a much, much bigger process than simply stating that the SFC peg goes into the SFC hole. You have to consider when that NCO will be eligible for promotion boards, what they've done already, what they need for progression, if they have leadership time already, if you can afford them leadership time in the unit, what special skills they bring to the table, the makeup of the section that you may assign them to.
If an NCO has already held a duty outside of their MOS, that was looked at in reference to that NCOs career map for their particular MOS to see if that time could/would possibly be held against them at a later date. You also need to look at that NCOs time in grade vs. what he/she has been doing as opposed to simply stating "this NCO has 'this' particular experience so he/she will go to this section."
I understand that not everyone will do the due diligence that it requires, but I have faith in our NCO corps, and our SNCOs that allows me to believe that more often than not - and even so far as most of the time, the right thing is being done for the NCOs in question, and the Army.
It is a much, much bigger process than simply stating that the SFC peg goes into the SFC hole. You have to consider when that NCO will be eligible for promotion boards, what they've done already, what they need for progression, if they have leadership time already, if you can afford them leadership time in the unit, what special skills they bring to the table, the makeup of the section that you may assign them to.
If an NCO has already held a duty outside of their MOS, that was looked at in reference to that NCOs career map for their particular MOS to see if that time could/would possibly be held against them at a later date. You also need to look at that NCOs time in grade vs. what he/she has been doing as opposed to simply stating "this NCO has 'this' particular experience so he/she will go to this section."
I understand that not everyone will do the due diligence that it requires, but I have faith in our NCO corps, and our SNCOs that allows me to believe that more often than not - and even so far as most of the time, the right thing is being done for the NCOs in question, and the Army.
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Great tools, however when assisting NCOs with warrant applications, they do not have as much free will in labeling duties and assignments as the officers do in the format of said assignments. I do believe all seniors whether enlisted or officer review all in bound ORB/ERBs for nice to have information.
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