Posted on Jul 15, 2022
Is it immoral or illegal for a SM to drive under the influence?
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If SM notified her First Line that she was
administered Morphine at the ER. First Line failed to
notify higher up on SM status. SM then text at 0444
that "she'll not be at pt formation because she's
high from the prescription and that's a dui." A SSG
and CPL In charge of the SM viewed the SM
message at 0445 but did not respond. Should the
SM be held accountable for not being able to
operate a vehicle while impaired? SM also has quarters slip.
administered Morphine at the ER. First Line failed to
notify higher up on SM status. SM then text at 0444
that "she'll not be at pt formation because she's
high from the prescription and that's a dui." A SSG
and CPL In charge of the SM viewed the SM
message at 0445 but did not respond. Should the
SM be held accountable for not being able to
operate a vehicle while impaired? SM also has quarters slip.
DUI
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Responses: 4
Since you have a quarters slip, sent this pic to your entire platoon leadership. This should negate the FTR. If it does not they they still push for it, that's when you show this to your 1SG and Commander.
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MSG (Join to see)
OK. If they go thru with it and start Article 15 procedures, you take that 25 hours offered to build defens and you go to JAG and speak with a Trial Defense Lawyer, and you show them the texts that were read and the quarters slip. Then allow that lawyer to do their job.
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Preciosa King the 1SG can report the SM as FTR all they like. An FTR does not equal a UCMJ, it's just a status on the daily perstat.
NCOs don't administer punishment or UCMJ, only Commanders have that authority. No JAG would be willing to sign off on this
NCOs don't administer punishment or UCMJ, only Commanders have that authority. No JAG would be willing to sign off on this
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SFC (Join to see) - Beat me to that last statement.
My 1st Sergeant had brought this to me, my first question would have been why either the first line supervisor or the 1ST Sergeant did arrange to have someone pick her up?
A soldier tells you where they are located and can't drive, taking care of your people would mean that you send someone to 1. Pick them up, 2. Make sure their car made it back to their place of residence.
My 1st Sergeant had brought this to me, my first question would have been why either the first line supervisor or the 1ST Sergeant did arrange to have someone pick her up?
A soldier tells you where they are located and can't drive, taking care of your people would mean that you send someone to 1. Pick them up, 2. Make sure their car made it back to their place of residence.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Preciosa King - Then the 1SG does not have all the needed information to make a good decision or the 1SG is not well informed on duties.
Maybe both.
If the 1SG had knowledge of the document you posted from the ER, then there is no real need to put the SM down as absent... by reg standing physically at accountability formation or listed as absent.., ...but if that concerned, you send an NCO or PL to the SM's residence to get a copy of the document supporting their absence so everyone is covered.
End of the day, putting an SM on the daily as Absent triggers nothing but a raised eyebrow, unless there have been issues before in the company, BN or Bde unit with false reports. Or SM listed as absent and no action by unit to address that concern.
Bottom line, No commander (the only one that can subject the SM to UCMJ or administrative action) that wants to stay a commander wants a second command...would look at the Text to the first line supervisor, the document proving SM was in the ER, received morphine and was placed on 24 quarters by the attending doc is going to recommend UCMJ.
Im going to bet, this is a 99%this is a simple lack of communication.. The CDR and 1SG did not know.
1: The SM was in the ER AND the SM communicated that fact and that they were administered morphine, placed on 24 hours quarters, thus would not be at first call accountability formation.
Maybe both.
If the 1SG had knowledge of the document you posted from the ER, then there is no real need to put the SM down as absent... by reg standing physically at accountability formation or listed as absent.., ...but if that concerned, you send an NCO or PL to the SM's residence to get a copy of the document supporting their absence so everyone is covered.
End of the day, putting an SM on the daily as Absent triggers nothing but a raised eyebrow, unless there have been issues before in the company, BN or Bde unit with false reports. Or SM listed as absent and no action by unit to address that concern.
Bottom line, No commander (the only one that can subject the SM to UCMJ or administrative action) that wants to stay a commander wants a second command...would look at the Text to the first line supervisor, the document proving SM was in the ER, received morphine and was placed on 24 quarters by the attending doc is going to recommend UCMJ.
Im going to bet, this is a 99%this is a simple lack of communication.. The CDR and 1SG did not know.
1: The SM was in the ER AND the SM communicated that fact and that they were administered morphine, placed on 24 hours quarters, thus would not be at first call accountability formation.
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Well the question itself ye it's illegal to drive under the influence. It's a crime. But it doesn't sound like you did.
Were you reported as FTR? You shouldn't be that's a failure on your first line. Just talk to your NCOIC/PSG. Show them the slip and texts. You did what you were supposed to do. Your NCO is the one who failed.
Were you reported as FTR? You shouldn't be that's a failure on your first line. Just talk to your NCOIC/PSG. Show them the slip and texts. You did what you were supposed to do. Your NCO is the one who failed.
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The squad leader should have just reported all present or accounted for at Reveille formation and that end of it. No reason to get any other involvement. Sounds as if they had it in for this SM. It was my experience that all present was a rare occurrence.
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