Posted on Apr 22, 2022
Are NCOERs not allowed to indicate/recognize pursuit of college credit?
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I just had an NCOER draft returned by HQDA with the following error message:
“Evaluation was RETURNED TO THE FIELD; and --MAINTAIN PROFILE count; Part IV block e - Comments should address current performance in current duty position. Comments addressing civilian profession are prohibited.(maintained a 3.75 GPA as a ***SCHOOL REDACTED*** graduate student, displayed the academic capability expected at the Service College level)**********Signatures must be removed in the following order (Reviewer (if one is listed), Rated Soldier, Senior Rater and last Rater). Once signatures are removed, corrections can be applied. NOTE: If the signatures are removed prior to the rated soldier removing their signature, the rated soldier can remove their signature by clicking the *Signature Removal* button on the EES homepage under the TOOLS column. After corrections are made, return with all signatures in proper sequence).”
Seems kind of backwards logic to grant promotion points for college credit, but be unable to mention pursuit of a college degree, especially when the school doesn't produce a DA-1059.
“Evaluation was RETURNED TO THE FIELD; and --MAINTAIN PROFILE count; Part IV block e - Comments should address current performance in current duty position. Comments addressing civilian profession are prohibited.(maintained a 3.75 GPA as a ***SCHOOL REDACTED*** graduate student, displayed the academic capability expected at the Service College level)**********Signatures must be removed in the following order (Reviewer (if one is listed), Rated Soldier, Senior Rater and last Rater). Once signatures are removed, corrections can be applied. NOTE: If the signatures are removed prior to the rated soldier removing their signature, the rated soldier can remove their signature by clicking the *Signature Removal* button on the EES homepage under the TOOLS column. After corrections are made, return with all signatures in proper sequence).”
Seems kind of backwards logic to grant promotion points for college credit, but be unable to mention pursuit of a college degree, especially when the school doesn't produce a DA-1059.
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Well....if the Reviewer at HQDA determined that the schooling comment(s) has to be removed....then remove them it shall be done. Those at HQDA that review NCOERs are rather meticulous when it comes to the evals and regs.
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SGT Justin Chiang
Thanks for the response. I've asked the HQDA policy inbox for clarification on which reg they're basing their comment on. This is my final-out NCOER, and for all the roadblocks I've had to deal with, I'm not afraid to die on the IG hill if this rejection has no basis in policy.
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It looks like you mentioned your civilian profession in the college bullet. THAT is what needs to be removed, not the college reference.
Most of my NCOER's mention college. That's perfectly fine. But your NCOER is about your military performance, not civilian (I assume you're a reservist).
So no mention of civilian occupations.
Most of my NCOER's mention college. That's perfectly fine. But your NCOER is about your military performance, not civilian (I assume you're a reservist).
So no mention of civilian occupations.
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SGT Justin Chiang
SFC Hasbun, I am very curious how the wording of "maintained a 3.75 GPA as a ***SCHOOL REDACTED*** graduate student, displayed the academic capability expected at the Service College level" bleeds into my civilian employment status. I will take a mea culpa, my original post did not include the fact that I was admitted into the program as a Reservist under the stipulation I was attending the program on my own weekend time, and not for drill points or pay (excluding a very small handful of RSTs).
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Unless they changed something, I've had a bullet in my NCOER about college education. When I was getting both Masters I had a bullet under intellect I believe. I never got it kicked back.
I just looked up my NCOERs and in 2017 I have a bullet about my first Master's degree. "earned a Master's degree in Public Relations with 3.3 GPA; enhanced personal and professional growth."
In 2018 I started my second Master's and had a bullet about it on that NCOER about enrolling in the program for my Master's in Security Management. I didn't manage to get it on my 2019 NCOER after I graduated because my leadership was...yeah. Unless something changed in the last 3 years...I don't know.
I just looked up my NCOERs and in 2017 I have a bullet about my first Master's degree. "earned a Master's degree in Public Relations with 3.3 GPA; enhanced personal and professional growth."
In 2018 I started my second Master's and had a bullet about it on that NCOER about enrolling in the program for my Master's in Security Management. I didn't manage to get it on my 2019 NCOER after I graduated because my leadership was...yeah. Unless something changed in the last 3 years...I don't know.
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SGT Justin Chiang
It gets even funnier when you realize that I was admitted to this Master's program as a Reservist NCO... y'know, requiring at the very least*tacit* permission from the Army? It's not a 1059-producing program, so near as I can tell there's no reg saying I *can't* talk about acing grad school on the government's dime....
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SGT Justin Chiang I used TA for the first. Part of 9/11 GI at the end of that one when I couldn't afford the half it didn't cover anymore. And then used 9/11 GI to get second. *shrug*
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