Posted on Aug 25, 2021
Can NCO make you run in place entire PT time with permanent profile?
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So this is not my story, but I saw this happening today.
During PT, one of the soldier had Permanent Profile for his leg.
It's written that "Own pace and distance running".
During a run day, one of the NCO made him run in the place for the entire PT.
He said to him that its "Own pace and Distance, you are not going anywhere but just running in place so it's fine."
That soldier got angry and said "There is so much other things I can do during the PT to workout" either way the soldier still did it. Later on, he used open door policy to talk to 1st sgt about it.
However on the next run day for PT, the NCO made him do it again and the soldier was very angry about it. the NCO also stated that, "Unless I hear directly from anyone higher than me saying I can't make you run in place, I won't stop doing it".
So the soldier got really angry and walked away from that NCO.
The NCO said he is going to counsel him for disobeying his orders and walking away while his talking. Possibly recommend UCMJ against that soldier.
I see both soldier and NCO is not having a good camaraderie and I think they both have approached the situation badly.
What are your thoughts about this issue??
During PT, one of the soldier had Permanent Profile for his leg.
It's written that "Own pace and distance running".
During a run day, one of the NCO made him run in the place for the entire PT.
He said to him that its "Own pace and Distance, you are not going anywhere but just running in place so it's fine."
That soldier got angry and said "There is so much other things I can do during the PT to workout" either way the soldier still did it. Later on, he used open door policy to talk to 1st sgt about it.
However on the next run day for PT, the NCO made him do it again and the soldier was very angry about it. the NCO also stated that, "Unless I hear directly from anyone higher than me saying I can't make you run in place, I won't stop doing it".
So the soldier got really angry and walked away from that NCO.
The NCO said he is going to counsel him for disobeying his orders and walking away while his talking. Possibly recommend UCMJ against that soldier.
I see both soldier and NCO is not having a good camaraderie and I think they both have approached the situation badly.
What are your thoughts about this issue??
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The Soldier walking away in anger....wrong response. That's all I will say on that.
As for the other part....If making a Soldier run in place does not violate the profile, then there is no harm. Personally, I would see it as a dick move and then have a side bar with this NCO. Now, if it were me with this profile and the NCO wants to play stupid games like this, I would run in place for about a minute then stop as I would be keeping in the parameters of the Own Pace and Distance. Granted, it would be seen as petty, but so is making a Soldier run in place for an entire PRT session.
Any idea what 1SG said to the Soldier?
As for the other part....If making a Soldier run in place does not violate the profile, then there is no harm. Personally, I would see it as a dick move and then have a side bar with this NCO. Now, if it were me with this profile and the NCO wants to play stupid games like this, I would run in place for about a minute then stop as I would be keeping in the parameters of the Own Pace and Distance. Granted, it would be seen as petty, but so is making a Soldier run in place for an entire PRT session.
Any idea what 1SG said to the Soldier?
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I'd be interested in knowing what the 1SG said... and walking away in this case is not the right answer.
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Yes - the NCO can tell someone on own pace and distance profile to run in place for all of PT. The soldier could then run in place, stop and start again since it's their own pace and distance.
Since the soldier already talked to 1SG, not sure what came of that, but they probably should go back and say the behavior hasn't stopped.
The soldier shouldn't have walked away - but I understand why they did. But the counseling will be the correct thing to do.
My opinion - the NCO sounds like a petty prick based on this story. Someone needs to have a talk with them, probably 1SG.
Since the soldier already talked to 1SG, not sure what came of that, but they probably should go back and say the behavior hasn't stopped.
The soldier shouldn't have walked away - but I understand why they did. But the counseling will be the correct thing to do.
My opinion - the NCO sounds like a petty prick based on this story. Someone needs to have a talk with them, probably 1SG.
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