Posted on May 17, 2015
Is it LEGAL to require a 70% in APFT events for board/promotion?
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As I stated above is it LEGAL for a unit to require a 70% in all APFT events in order to be able to attend the promotion board?
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No...The Army establishes a MINIMUM APFT score of 60% in each event to remain eligible for continued service, which includes promotion, so individual units (units which SMs did not apply for) should not be increasing the Army's MINIMUM standards.
Example: If a fully-qualified Soldier is assigned to 1st Cavalry Division (example) by their Branch Manager and the unit does not allow the Soldier to attend a promotion board because they cannot attain 70% in each APFT event, the Soldier will reach their RCP and will have been unfairly restricted from normal career progression.
Exceptions for specific units to increase APFT score requirements would be for those NCOs applying for Ranger training, Special Forces, an assignment within a special/nominative unit (i.e., Drill Sergeant, 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), etc).
**PERSONAL NOTE** I believe all medically qualified NCOs should earn a 240 or above (80%) on their APFTs...if they cannot, they should work harder (it's a choice) or not be placed in leadership positions.
**SPECIAL NOTE** My personal beliefs never override Army policy/regulation/doctrine...the Army MINIMUM APFT scores remains 180 points (60% in each event).
Example: If a fully-qualified Soldier is assigned to 1st Cavalry Division (example) by their Branch Manager and the unit does not allow the Soldier to attend a promotion board because they cannot attain 70% in each APFT event, the Soldier will reach their RCP and will have been unfairly restricted from normal career progression.
Exceptions for specific units to increase APFT score requirements would be for those NCOs applying for Ranger training, Special Forces, an assignment within a special/nominative unit (i.e., Drill Sergeant, 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), etc).
**PERSONAL NOTE** I believe all medically qualified NCOs should earn a 240 or above (80%) on their APFTs...if they cannot, they should work harder (it's a choice) or not be placed in leadership positions.
**SPECIAL NOTE** My personal beliefs never override Army policy/regulation/doctrine...the Army MINIMUM APFT scores remains 180 points (60% in each event).
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SGT (Join to see)
*edit I am an NG soldier and the entire State board applied this 200 rule a month before they assembled.
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2LT Brian L.
all in all its just really sad to think that a 200 apft soldier is expected to train and lead soldiers into a state of physical combat readiness... seriously a 200? I would be very willing to bet that I would bleed out before this soldier got me out of danger during combat. also if this person who is supposed to lead and motivate obviously isnt motivated enough to excel at one of the most basic things the army asks of you... forget it ... pathetic.. true by regulation 180 or in some cases 200 the standard i would rather be led by someone who scores a 270 than a 190 or send a soldier to a school because I know that at least physically they have a chance of passing... get beyond the excuses and political correctness and be serious
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SSG (Join to see)
Just because you can score a 300 on a PT test doesn't mean you could lead an Army of lemmings out of a wet paper bag. A PT score doesn't define someone's leadership ability.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SSG (Join to see) - SSG Laitila info says he is at the 101st, where physical ability would be an integral part of leadership. Patton wouldn't have gotten any respect in the 502nd if his PT score was 200. You lead by example, and in a light infantry unit, a score of 200 is a bad example.
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I had a bad day and scored only a 220 on a AFPT once which is 73 percent of a 300 on an APFT. I am a college graduate mind you. One of my peers said to get where he is and score a 300 on the APFT. I told him to get where I am go to college. Soldier's shouldn't be held back from potential because if an APFT score especially if they excel in everything else and perhaps better than other Soldiers. Keeping a Soldier from progressing because of his or her APFT score does not support a whole Soldier concept. Not everyone is a PT guru, and not everyone is a college graduate either. I don't believe in using just a APFT score to judge a Soldier's potential.
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I am just going to throw this out there. I was a PFC and made it on up to SSG before going to dark side. I would be more concerned about having such a low PT score than questioning why I can't get promoted with anything in the 60% category. I can't recall even really dropping below a 270. I was more concerned about being the best than just passing. But that is just me.
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1SG (Join to see)
Exactly, if you are completely satisfied scraping by with the bare minimum and trying the jailhouse lawyer approach instead of just cranking out the extra 10% then there is probably a host of other reasons why you shouldn't go to the board.
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SGM Matthew Quick
Let's not blur the lines here. This is not about what you've done or what you think Soldiers should be doing; it's about an Army standard...that's 60% in each event.
Note: I personally believe NCOs should achieve 80% on each event to be assigned leadership responsibilities...but that's irrelevant to the initial question.
Note: I personally believe NCOs should achieve 80% on each event to be assigned leadership responsibilities...but that's irrelevant to the initial question.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SGM Matthew Quick - But they still don't count that 60 score per event at the maximum in Military Training points either and the soldiers commander could (that should be would in my case) also give him bad marks of Military Bearing and Leadership. While I agree that it shouldn't keep them from the board, it certainly can keep the from being promoted.
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