670-1 violations punitive. What about not enforcing them, should that be punitive?

SSG Robert Burns — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:17:21 -0400

What I mean is if we are going to hand out article 15's for uniform violations, is it not a bigger deal to not enforce the standards? The fact that the standards havent been enforced are the reasons for many of these changes. That is a deriliction of duty in my opinion.

So the question is should Soldier's receive UCMJ for failing to make corrections.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 3 at 2014 1:19 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:19:02 -0400

It'd be kind of hard to prove that they actually saw the infraction... Definitely a case by case thing..

Response by SSG Anthony Schoepp made Apr 3 at 2014 1:30 PM

SSG Anthony Schoepp — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:30:44 -0400

There would be almost no way to prove they saw the infraction, or that they did not require the correction to be made. If I stop someone because their sewn on rank is crooked and tell them to fix it, nothing says that they have to do that. Then am I still liable because I did not cut off and resew the rank in that moment? Kind of extreme but that would be one 'grey area' example.

Response by SSG Oliver Mathews made Apr 4 at 2014 12:13 AM

SSG Oliver Mathews — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 00:13:34 -0400

The problem with all of these questions about AR 670-1 being punitive or if not enforcing the standards should be punitive... ITS ALWAYS BEEN PUNISHABLE...

Article 92 of the UCMJ Failure to Obey Order or Regulation. This Article makes ALL of AR670-1 and every other Regulation published by any and all branches within the DOD Punitive.

Failure to Adhere to, Follow, or maintain any part of the Regulation to include the portions that do not state "Punitive" in the first Paragraph, are still Punitive.

Why is the Army adding on to what once was? maybe to have more options, who knows.