Civilian Attire on Post: How to properly enforce it?

MAJ (Join to see) - Unless things have changed in the last decade or so... Ft Bliss trains military from the UAE and Saudi on Air Defense. It wasn't uncommon to see Arabic men hitting up the locals at the bars and clubs. Wasn't your "spidey sense", it was your bigotry.

The minute he told that NCO that he was not active duty, he should have been asked to produce his dependent ID so that his sponsor could be invited to a meeting. And if he lied to that NCO and actually was active duty, he needs an article 15. Military bearing is a 24/7/365 reality. You don't ever hit the pause button on that! Our military is is one of greatest and most effective machines ever assembled, that can only fully function when rules and regulations are understood and obeyed. He wants to be a hood rat, okay, send him back to hood. There's no room in our ranks for people of this low quality or on our bases and installations for that matter. It is privilege to be there, something that seems to have been forgotten and some need to be reminded of by what ever means necessary.

In my opinion the NCOx should have been more involved, especially if he/she had command status. I find it hard to believe that they couldn't ask any one on that post for ID. Given the treat level of today, that doesn't seem plausible. I know it was 13 years ago but has everyone already forgotten about thwarted terrorist attack on Ft. Dix?
Bin Laden tried to attack the US in 1993, and failed. But 8 years later they tried again and succeeded, mostly because we let our guard down. So we have every right to questions those who clearly look and act like they do not belong.

SrA (Join to see) - I really appreciate your question/comment, and if it's okay I would like to interject my .02 cents worth.

In theory; peer-to-peer mentoring can be productive and positive. And I too have seen it work (circa 1975). However the main variable is, is the solder, marine, airman or sailor in question humble enough to take the criticism and capable of the level of humility necessary to affect the appropriate changes? It seems that an NCO (not an officer) approached this guy. While we do not know how high in the NCO echelon that person was. Clearly it seemed to be a query rather than an inquisition, and yet it yielded no result. Nothing was accomplished. Therefore the variable in this equation is "0", and anything times zero will equal zero. To me someone with this attitude needs a more drastic type of adjusting.

But the main problem I have with this whole scenario is, the one I have had all along. This is a volunteer military. Since we have not drafted a single person in 45 years, no one on active duty today is a draftee. Therefore, everyone in the service today wanted to be there for whatever personal reason. This is the military not the scouts. Follow the rules, it's just that simple. Do we really need peer-to-peer mentoring for this? Maybe for someone experiencing time management problems, or who can't pass a barracks inspection or a PT test. I can see getting a junior involved, but that implies the person is coach-able and they want to succeed. Which sadly, from what I've seen of today's Americans, it's about a 10% likelihood.

Why this kid could not have just acted appropriately and said, no problem, let me fix that right now. And, I'm a dependent would you like to see my ID? Instead he chose an adversarial path. These kids today think they are entitled to do whatever the hell they want, with no consequences. He clearly forgot that if he is sponsored, he is a GUEST. He created a problem where there didn't need to be one. You are on a military base. People are uppity. Just comply. And if clothing standards are a problem, what else are we going to have to deal with, with this kid. How far does it need to escalate before he requires authoritative intervention? What is wrong with conformity? Just do the right thing. Why are we constantly having to bend over backwards and "find what works" for the ones who create problems?

While I really do appreciate that your strategy is to possibly get someone more relatable involved; I feel like that is what has created the problem. These are the rules, these are consequences for not following them. End of story.

And that goes for dependents as well. I know, because I was one my whole life, before I became a soldier. My father would have been mortified if any of his children would have had to be called out like this. But my mother, would have knocked our blocks off. And after taking us to dental to have our front teeth re-inserted, we would have lost all our privileges for a month. I can guarantee, there would never have been a repeat of that behavior. We were officer's kids, we knew where the lines where the lines were drawn. I truly believe that is why I sailed through boot camp and was made a squad leader. My son also sailed through boot and finished second in his class at A School. When you tell people what is expected of them and then demand it, they will rise to the occasion. There is no coddling in the military.

Again. this is merely my two cents. Thanks for listening.

PO1 Brian Burke - Already collecting that. I knew about it before I got out. I applied for it after, though, so it was a trial getting the back pay owed. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of anyone else who may see the comment, though! My injury was due to an RPG round causing an open fracture to my heel. So, the issue of being combat related wasn't an issue, just getting the paperwork done and getting DFAS to follow through was. So, I get a good chunk of change first of the month between that and disability. My security job is the gravy.

Get and keep your shit together.......as long as you wear the uniform.
There’s a LOT of pretenders out there.

600-8-14 1.19.2. Surrender the card when a military or civilian authority requires it for identification, investigation, when in confinement, upon discharge, or card expiration. In turn it’s a requirement for military and civilians to show proof of ID and entitlements when asked especially When asked by an NCO or a Commissioned Officer. Hope that helps some.

Really?......really tough talk for a no combat, non trigger puller rear eschelon maintainer.
Just how many years active duty did you have.......with that mouth, and what is spreading out of it, I’d say not much. I can see what kind of professional you are.
And oh, by the way, I just left a forward deployed combatant command, EUCOM,
( USAREUR), and well aware of what is happening in the military.......and have been for far longer than you. And as an Assistant Professor of Mil Science at Georgia Tech I recruited and trained the current generation of leaders. And soo tough talking....what are you a UFC fighter when not maintaining stuff and things.
Yes, your disrespect says it all.

SGT Suraj Dave - Well it shouldn't matter who his father or mother is.
I was a dependent for a lifetime before I was an enlistee. My father was an NCO, a WO and then commissioned. I can assure you that as children, our military bearing was on point. Our 's**t" was squared away always. Our father would never have allowed us to get away with any thing. So I would hope that other military members would hold their dependents to the same standard. Especially since it reflects on them and can impact advancement, etc. The parents are vicariously responsible for their children. And that's true even in civilian life. Quite frankly, we are having this conversation today because this little puke clearly was never held accountable for his behaviors.

That being said, the BX, PX or NEX for that matter, must have cameras. You can report the incident, the MPs can choose to watch the tapes, try to locate the child in question and show it to the OD, LT or base commander. After which, it's done, it's in the hands of those with the pay grades to appropriately deal with it. Because if he's not military, then he's a dependent and he's sponsored. They have to abide by the same dress code service members do. At least that's how it was on every base I have ever been on 1959-2017. By the way the Navy bases have been the most strict by far. They tolerate nothing.

I still carry mine, experation date reads indefinitely

Maj Robert Lang o.k., I'm very confused? Can you really not vote down? I realize this might be an old post, but, I as a daughter of a WWII Vet can and have when someone gets nasty just to be a jerk.

SFC Mark Merino racist much

TSgt (Join to see) - Oh, folding a fitted is super easy. There is an old school 1940's housewife trick-dickery, to it. But it is magical.