Posted on Apr 22, 2020
What regulations or policies dictate or directly state that a single soldier must live in the barracks?
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I have been living off post as a quote un quote "single soldier" for over a year now without receiving a dime of bah or bas or anything of the sort and have had zero issues. But now my commande is saying its against regulation. So please I beg of you in the community. To share with me legitimate publications articles etc that are found to current and up to date. So as to not just go off half cocked. Mind you I just took my rank away myself. Because I feel regardless of whatever factual evidence I provide by the end of the day no matter hiw tactful and respectful I present myself I feel my little E-3 rank will be gone.
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AR 420–1 (page 47) https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN15517_R420_1_admin_FINAL.pdf
k. Authority to live off post.
(1) The authority to live off post may be denied if it would adversely affect a training mission, military discipline,or military readiness. (IMCOM region directors may not grant exceptions.)
(2) Garrison commanders may authorize single Soldiers in the grade of sergeant (E–5) and below CONUS including Hawaii and Alaska; staff sergeant (E–6) and below OCONUS, to reside off post under the following conditions:
(a) When adequate housing is not available and military necessity is not a factor.
(b) When the Soldier is pregnant.
(c) When the Soldier has purchased a home near the installation prior to notification of assignment to that installation.
(3) When a Soldier married to another Soldier without Family members resides off post and 1 of the Soldiers departs on a separate tour, the other Soldier will not be ordered to return to housing.
When someone who has been in the Army much longer than you says something is against regs, you can usually assume that is true, no matter how much it goes against what you want to do.
Your problem is that you needed approval from the Installation Commander to reside off post, you did not get that, or even inform your company commander that you were residing off-post, putting him at risk of being party to your violation of this reg, and as well as his unknowingly assuming the risk for you living off post.
You would be lucky to only be restricted to barracks when this is over.
k. Authority to live off post.
(1) The authority to live off post may be denied if it would adversely affect a training mission, military discipline,or military readiness. (IMCOM region directors may not grant exceptions.)
(2) Garrison commanders may authorize single Soldiers in the grade of sergeant (E–5) and below CONUS including Hawaii and Alaska; staff sergeant (E–6) and below OCONUS, to reside off post under the following conditions:
(a) When adequate housing is not available and military necessity is not a factor.
(b) When the Soldier is pregnant.
(c) When the Soldier has purchased a home near the installation prior to notification of assignment to that installation.
(3) When a Soldier married to another Soldier without Family members resides off post and 1 of the Soldiers departs on a separate tour, the other Soldier will not be ordered to return to housing.
When someone who has been in the Army much longer than you says something is against regs, you can usually assume that is true, no matter how much it goes against what you want to do.
Your problem is that you needed approval from the Installation Commander to reside off post, you did not get that, or even inform your company commander that you were residing off-post, putting him at risk of being party to your violation of this reg, and as well as his unknowingly assuming the risk for you living off post.
You would be lucky to only be restricted to barracks when this is over.
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Negative my acting comander first sergeant and acting nco at the beginning of this before there was ever an issue were all tracking that I lived off post. It initially began with my con leave last May when I had my first of 3 surgeries while my unit was on its way to Korea. During my con leave period I needed virtually roumd the clock care and supervision for the first 48-72 hours as per discharge instruction. My command didnt have the available soldiers to stand watch on me in the barracks. So my fiance requested on my behalf to stay with here being shes an RN it was granted my NCO filled out the leave packet with her address. From there after my nearly 3 weeks of con leave was up I was reintroduced to the unit. But as rear D from there I informed everyone needed that id be living with her. Now everyone is back the entire deployment keepi g contact with my NCO and updating on everything from where i live with addresses and contact info. Simce then ive had 3 surgeries and am facing MEB THE ENTIRE TIME UPDATING MY NCO
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PFC (Join to see) - Doesn't change anything.
Your CO still didn't know, and you still never had Installation Commander approval.
The outcome is still the same.
Your CO still didn't know, and you still never had Installation Commander approval.
The outcome is still the same.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
PFC (Join to see) - Just because your 1SG and NCOIC were "tracking" you living off post doesn't mean it was authorized for you to do so. Did the commander know? Did the garrison commander know? Because this: "(2) Garrison commanders may authorize single Soldiers in the grade of sergeant (E–5) and below CONUS including Hawaii and Alaska; staff sergeant (E–6) and below OCONUS, to reside off post under the following conditions.." The garrison commander is the only one who can authorize single soldiers to live off post if you're one of those criteria. Do you have a MFR from the garrison commander authorizing you to move off post and not live in the barracks?
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What base are you assigned to and what is the post policy on single soldiers of your rank living off post? The reason why I ask is because the Army Barracks Management Program Handbook (dated 9 Jan 2018), states on Page 14 in section 3.1.2 it states Single Soldiers from E-1 thru E-5 living CONUS are required to live in the barracks. Check out the link. There is a Reference Page, as well
https://www.housing.army.mil/Documents/FSBP2020.pdf
https://www.housing.army.mil/Documents/FSBP2020.pdf
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None of this was an issue until 1 this pandemic, and 2 most immportantly my NCO lied to cover his 6 by saying he never had any knowledge of my living of post until now. Which in doing so he just got all of the NCO's chewed out because now commamd thinks the leaders.arent doing whats required of them. But I have the messages of me giving him my address etc and informing him of my situation and telling me thnk u moving forward if anyone asks yes you live in the barracks. But I'm not about to lie to my commander and up by saying I live in the barracks. However , I do keep and maintain my barracks to sop standard as per policy
None of this was an issue until 1 this pandemic, and 2 most immportantly my NCO lied to cover his 6 by saying he never had any knowledge of my living of post until now. Which in doing so he just got all of the NCO's chewed out because now commamd thinks the leaders.arent doing whats required of them. But I have the messages of me giving him my address etc and informing him of my situation and telling me thnk u moving forward if anyone asks yes you live in the barracks. But I'm not about to lie to my commander and up by saying I live in the barracks. However , I do keep and maintain my barracks to sop standard as per policy
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PFC (Join to see) - Well....I recommend you review your unit policy/SOP and base policy/SOP in regards to single Soldiers living off post. And, if you get called to the Commander's Carpet, ensure that you have those messages to back your defense up.
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Ft Hood's First Sergeant's Barracks Program 2020 -
https://www.acsim.army.mil/installationservices/assets/docs/FSBP_2020_Handbook_Update_FINAL.PDF
I haven't finished scrolling through it yet or I'd have a better answer for you.
https://www.acsim.army.mil/installationservices/assets/docs/FSBP_2020_Handbook_Update_FINAL.PDF
I haven't finished scrolling through it yet or I'd have a better answer for you.
FSBP_2020_Handbook_Update_FINAL.PDF
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
PFC (Join to see) - It - doesn't - matter - what - your - NCO - said. THEY can't authorize you to live off post as a single soldier E5 or below. ONLY the garrison commander can do that. Read the regulation provided for you.
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If you choose to stay off base that is your call. The government owes you housing and unless otherwise unavailable you have to stay in the barracks, therefore sign for and maintain a room. This is the same for a Soldier with family, if on post quarters are available they must stay in on post quarters.
If your unit orders you to stay in your assigned quarters you should be very careful in following those orders. Violating them can cause what you fear. And you are correct, you would be giving up your rank. Stay in the barracks.
If your unit orders you to stay in your assigned quarters you should be very careful in following those orders. Violating them can cause what you fear. And you are correct, you would be giving up your rank. Stay in the barracks.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff there generally isnt enough on post housing period. Had a buddy get assigned westpoint. Ranks below COL were required to reside on post due to housing costs.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
I am not sure we are reading what o wrote the same. None the less this Service member was looking for thoughts and experience. You and I obviously had different experiences. Have a great day. SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
CSM Darieus ZaGara - I'm just telling you that, in the last 16 years, that this: ""This is the same for a Soldier with family, if on post quarters are available they must stay in on post quarters."" is not correct information. So yeah you have a great day too...
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
I am not here to debate, I simply shared information of the many bases in and out of conus at which I was deeply involved in housing from Section Sgt. Through tonCSM (many levels). Your experiences were clearly on different bases than myself, the difference between us is that I did not imply that you are wrong or lying. You are implying that my statement is not true, meaning I lied. Housing policies differ between installations and Theaters of operation. Their is Service level policy which provides latitude to the Major Command, in concert with the Garrison command along with the general policies of the Army or other service. I assure you there are locations where the Service member has no choice. Thank you ~1155667:SFC Kelly Fuerhoff]
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