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I think we are under represented, and a Patriot Party should be started.
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There technically is one already (though this is NOT an endorsement):
http://www.veteranspartyofamerica.org/
It's run by a RallyPoint member: 1SG Mark Wilder
However, veterans don't vote as a block... there are many different points of view, so any party which is based on a professional experience rather than a common political ideology has a challenge of maintaining a united message.
http://www.veteranspartyofamerica.org/
It's run by a RallyPoint member: 1SG Mark Wilder
However, veterans don't vote as a block... there are many different points of view, so any party which is based on a professional experience rather than a common political ideology has a challenge of maintaining a united message.
Being a Veteran is not required. A desire to fix America is required. We are founded by Veterans, for ALL Americans. Join with us.
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1SG Mark Wilder
The Veterans Party works because Veterans can place political ideology aside to create solutions to problems and understand the importance of upholding the Constitution.
Veterans understand that a compromise is combining two crappy ideas where people will lose, into one crappy idea that has more people lose.
If you are basing opinions off of discussions of ideas and not from reviewing the party, then you are not making an informed decision.
The Veterans Party of America is only 15 months old and already beyond the 5 year milestone for the formation timelines of modern political parties (50 years)
Veterans understand that a compromise is combining two crappy ideas where people will lose, into one crappy idea that has more people lose.
If you are basing opinions off of discussions of ideas and not from reviewing the party, then you are not making an informed decision.
The Veterans Party of America is only 15 months old and already beyond the 5 year milestone for the formation timelines of modern political parties (50 years)
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1SG Mark Wilder
Simple. All Veterans do agree on it. Veterans all agree to uphold the Constitution. Abortion, Same Sex Marriage, Gun Control, and Slavery have all been ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court. Of these, only Slavery was overturned by a Constitutional Amendment.
The fact that the parties in power continue to push and use social issues, pretending they can be legislated as a means to divide voters is teh reason people are divided. When voters learn they have been manipulated and used, they become furious. Anything short of a statement to introduce a Constitutional Amendment is simply playing the voters.
If you support the Constitution, and are still sworn to defend the entire Constitution, not just those Amendments and Articles you agree with, then you stand with every Veteran that agrees with the issues mentioned--that they must be Amendmed or stop using them to divide voters.
The fact that the parties in power continue to push and use social issues, pretending they can be legislated as a means to divide voters is teh reason people are divided. When voters learn they have been manipulated and used, they become furious. Anything short of a statement to introduce a Constitutional Amendment is simply playing the voters.
If you support the Constitution, and are still sworn to defend the entire Constitution, not just those Amendments and Articles you agree with, then you stand with every Veteran that agrees with the issues mentioned--that they must be Amendmed or stop using them to divide voters.
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Maybe not because think of it, FEMA would have one big list to hunt us down and to put us in camps after they take our weapons and violate our rights. Just kidding. Seriously though, instead of joining one party, everyone should join AUSA. We would be stronger, our lobbyist would have more funds to pay for lobby operations. We could not only gain influence but buy the influence. We'd be a political machine to be reckoned with. The results would yield quantifiable dividends in the end.
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Reading this I am reminded of Starship Troopers. I am referring to the book by Robert Heinlein, which I hope all of you have read, not the barely related movie.
The question brings up many more questions.
-Should we require military service as a prerequisite to joining a Veteran's party?
-What issues would be on the table?
-Does it have to tackle every issue or can it just cover the issues that are felt by the majority of members to be an issue.
-With .1% of the population serving, do we have a enough to actually make an impact?
-Even if we cannot have a large impact, is it a worthy cause to do so anyway?
-(Related to the previous question) As citizens who have earned our citizenship (though we are not the only ones), is it our obligation to take a bigger stance?
If you do not get the Starship Troopers connection, here is an excerpt from an essay about what Federal Service means. FYI: I am not advocating this kind of policy, but this is the road a Veteran's Party would take. (In the book the Veteran's saved the world by taking over the governments and ending the wars)
"Central to the controversy is the book’s notion that a voting franchise must be earned by a would-be citizen. A franchise is not given to anyone, for any reason, until they have served a term (defined in the book as two years) in Federal Service. The book makes clear that the great majority of citizens do not bother with a term or a franchise; indeed, the protagonist’s father is a wealthy and successful businessman who is proud of his family’s hundred-year record of non-service. The government makes no attempt to recruit or entice volunteers; in fact, they work at dissuading would-beinductees by emphasizing the hard and brutal nature of service and the fact that those who enlist have no choice of service—they put themselves entirely at the government’s mercy for the duration
of their term."
http://www.nitrosyncretic.com/pdfs/nature_of_fedsvc_1996.pdf
The question brings up many more questions.
-Should we require military service as a prerequisite to joining a Veteran's party?
-What issues would be on the table?
-Does it have to tackle every issue or can it just cover the issues that are felt by the majority of members to be an issue.
-With .1% of the population serving, do we have a enough to actually make an impact?
-Even if we cannot have a large impact, is it a worthy cause to do so anyway?
-(Related to the previous question) As citizens who have earned our citizenship (though we are not the only ones), is it our obligation to take a bigger stance?
If you do not get the Starship Troopers connection, here is an excerpt from an essay about what Federal Service means. FYI: I am not advocating this kind of policy, but this is the road a Veteran's Party would take. (In the book the Veteran's saved the world by taking over the governments and ending the wars)
"Central to the controversy is the book’s notion that a voting franchise must be earned by a would-be citizen. A franchise is not given to anyone, for any reason, until they have served a term (defined in the book as two years) in Federal Service. The book makes clear that the great majority of citizens do not bother with a term or a franchise; indeed, the protagonist’s father is a wealthy and successful businessman who is proud of his family’s hundred-year record of non-service. The government makes no attempt to recruit or entice volunteers; in fact, they work at dissuading would-beinductees by emphasizing the hard and brutal nature of service and the fact that those who enlist have no choice of service—they put themselves entirely at the government’s mercy for the duration
of their term."
http://www.nitrosyncretic.com/pdfs/nature_of_fedsvc_1996.pdf
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SGT Francis Wright
Point being neither party bothers, to give us a worth while cadidate. Our first CINC was a military man.
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CPT (Join to see)
Agreed. And they will continue to not bother, all the while holding us up as propaganda pieces at their convenience.
Do I like the idea of a political party for veterans, ? Yes. Unfortunately most of our brothers and sisters love to talk politics, while simultaneously claiming they hate it.
How many times have you heard and NCO claim that he doesn't want to become an officer because of politics? (which i have personally found to be less of an issue than on the enlisted side, but I digress)
Nothing will happen until we get so fed up that we join together. When we do, it will not be without consequence. The military personnel still serving will be under the thumb of those in office while the party gets built. However, if we feel there is a reason that we must do it, we will make it happen.
Do I like the idea of a political party for veterans, ? Yes. Unfortunately most of our brothers and sisters love to talk politics, while simultaneously claiming they hate it.
How many times have you heard and NCO claim that he doesn't want to become an officer because of politics? (which i have personally found to be less of an issue than on the enlisted side, but I digress)
Nothing will happen until we get so fed up that we join together. When we do, it will not be without consequence. The military personnel still serving will be under the thumb of those in office while the party gets built. However, if we feel there is a reason that we must do it, we will make it happen.
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