Posted on Mar 6, 2018
Would the United States benefit by creating a Veteran Legion similar to the French Foreign Legion in fighting proxy wars around the globe?
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The alphabet agencies already have civilian contractors ready to do the same thing with "Plausible Deniability". Just saying.
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SSG Will Phillips
MSG Dan Walther - God love ya MSG. Like minded people don't always agree, but we can be cool about it. That's how real "Merican's" do it!
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Even with a legion, there is no distance between the military actions of the "US Legion" and the diplomatic impacts of those actions. The US couldn't employ them and distance itself. The Legion is still a part of the French war machine and is tied to them. It's an interesting concept for a couple of other reasons including paths to citizenship, but using them specifically on foreign soil while distancing our primary branches of service from these missions is questionable in my opinion.
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SGT Tony Clifford
Sir, are you implying we should have special units similar to Roman Auxiliaries? I don't see the point. If non-citizen soldiers don't get integrated into regular units, we will have trained a military force that doesn't necessarily value the country they fight for, or have any cohesion to other military within the country. This is essentially how the ostrogoths conquered the Western Roman Empire. They eventually heavily relied on these auxiliaries to fight their wars. Leading to a military that was majority non-citizen. They eventually used their training to sack Rome in AD 476.
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SGT Tony Clifford
MSG Dan Walther The good colonel said "it's an interesting concept for a couple of other reasons including paths to citizenship". That is exact same concept to how Auxiliaries worked within the Roman military. If you served as an auxiliary for 25 years you and your children would be considered citizens. Granted I doubt the colonel was intended it that way, it is how it could be interpreted.
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COL (Join to see)
Bottom line is that it just wouldn't work in the US. There's no way the public would support segregating an indentured foreign workforce into a branch of the military that gets sent to do the hard work while the rest of the force trains for war and never deploys. Half of the country would have their hair on fire. The other half would be split in half again between those that think it's a great idea...and those with some common sense and empathy to go with their family values. It's just a bad idea and doesn't represent what America is. The French can do it...well...because they're French. They treat everyone with a liiiiiiitle bit of snark that lets you know that they are better than you and they know it. Even when they aren't.
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Please- I have worked with the FFL before- they always got the crappy pointed end of the stick. Their hands like us are tied up be the government- way too often they are considered expendable- after all they aren't really French till their hitch is up. Most of the time their officers are French Army and not FFL, and it shows when they throw the out with no life line. Who would control this Vet Legion- what will you use- we have a hard time keeping our armed forces gunned up- Right now almost 50% of our Aircraft and ships are down for parts, manning. The JCS has said we can not longer support a sustained war in to different parts of the world.
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PO1 Cliff Heath
Although it is part of the French military, it is the only unit of the military that does not swear allegiance to France, but to the Foreign Legion itself.Sorta like our defense contractors, who are sworn to grab as much of our defense budget as they can for themselves. i.e. F-35, LCS's, DDG-1000's that can't fire the $1,000,000 rounds their guns were originally built for, just think of how much the USMC could have done with all the money poured into F-35 and LCS programs, now so much $$$$ tied up in F-35's they can't afford to scrap the whole project so keep throwing money at it and by the time it's battle ready it will be out-dated.
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