Posted on Oct 23, 2014
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I cant say that i had a rough basic training experience, i went in 2004, back when BDU's were still around, back when they were still able to smoke you, we didnt get cell phones, or TV, or Internet, hell we werent even allowed milk, just Water...Water.....and more Water. But now days i see new recruits posting pictures of themselves DURING basic training, when are we going to see any of that stop? let basic training go back to what its meant to do, to turn civilians into soldiers, ( im excluding the marines on this one because we all know they stay true), we need soldiers, not boyscouts!
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Until you stop having outside influences, social media ect in BCT and OUST it will continue down the path it is.
This should be hard physical and demanding. Currently it's not
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Couldn't have sait it better Ds! Well said!
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one other point I would like to make you were not forced to join there Is no draft plan and simple if you are going to quit because your feelings are hurt from being yelled at, you are being called "YOU" then, fine you finish out the rest of your time doing Extended duty 16 hours a day with no pay until you have paid back all the money you have taken. It takes 30k plus to put people in and you quit because its to hard. F that
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I went through jackson in 2004, our very first day, the "shark attack" moment, we had one guy start crying, he ended up being the admin bitch for the duration of our cycle, of all things to happen during basic training, pussing out on the very first day....is beyond rediculous
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While I don't agree with everything you said, some of your points are very accurate. I will broadly agree that Basic Training has gotten much softer in terms of learned discipline and expectations of recruits both in the beginning and end. I will caveat that by saying that much of this is the fault of a weakened NCO corps, and until we take responsibility for that not much else should be addressed. That said, civilians and politicians have had quite a hand in the pot the last ten years and have sadly been responsible for many of the actual changes you have noticed. The Army has the unfortunately large footprint that makes it perfect for cultural experimentation and "test" studies that lead to some non-traditional changes within our ranks. Sheer size and obscurity is essentially what protects the USMC from these same issues. I absolutely hate the profound civilian presence that continually meddles in what I still consider a professional Military force, despite their undying attempts at turning the Army into a corporate franchise. But the one thing I hate more is the declining professionalism within our NCO corps that not only facilitates the meddling but seems to exacerbate it as well. There are unlimited tools at the Drill Sergeant's disposal to use in training a better prepared and more capable Soldier than we have ever seen. Many of those NCO's just are not the caliber necessary to what is required. For this I blame both the Army and the individual NCO. The truth is that the Army should better support IMT by not only assigning more and better qualified Drill Sergeants, but also better qualified recruits. I don't believe that the softest guy or girl should be able to meet low quals and then be automatically transformed by some burnt out DS who has been running a PLT singlehandedly, into a super warfighter. That is complete bullshit. I still view Basic Training as part job interview, and many people just don't belong in the Armed Forces in any capacity. To say that this is a generational problem that we (as Drill Sergeants) have to overcome is ridiculous. Do you think Russia, China and Iran are recruiting lifelong couch potato lazy asses into their warfighting forces? Absolutely not. Having made that point as well do I think many Drill Sergeants could be doing far more with those that do oath into our Army? Absolutely. I hope I succeeded at engaging that fairly and impartially.
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Fair enough SSG, i wont get into any debate with how i feel about the civilian aspect of things, i tend to hurt feelings....
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Edited 10 y ago
No. I do not understand why they can't succeed without whining and simple 9 weeks with no gadgets.
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short and sweet...lol
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SPC(P) (Join to see)after my simple answer more stuff came to my mind, that's why now it is edited :)
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