Posted on Feb 25, 2017
How necessary are the additional levels of MACP (after level one certification)?
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By necessary I mean, realistic. Realistically would I ever use the training? I'm a pog, 25U to be exact.
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You know what I've always said that the lack of hand to hand combat training for our nation's police officers is why shootings are up so much. If you think about it if you confront a criminal that has a knife or a billy club anything other than a gun comma if you have proper hand to hand combat training you could disarm that pump and punch him in his head a few times then cuff him or her. But because of that lack of hand to hand combat training or close combat most police officers are opting for the gun which embroils them and all kind of political garbage. If you can get that close combat training take it, it's like algebra you ask yourself when you're in school what do I need algebra for? But once you get out into the real world you'll soon find out when you apply for a job.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
I found often the training I received in the Military was far better than many civilian Police Officers received. In Massachusetts however they seem to do better with this than many other states, We did receive training in this area of defense and take downs without resorting to firearms. Also We were quite well trained in when to employ deadly force with a firearm and when not to. I see items in the news where firearms were used and our training here showed it was not authorized or called for. Not that We neglected firearm training either, we spent almost two weeks on the firing range. We were well trained on both how and when to resort to a firearm. That training has paid off both in My Mitary Police ans well as civilian Police experience later. I was fortunate all the training was good both in the Military and in the Brookline Police Academy, Brookline, MA as a civilian Police Officer.
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LCpl Cody Collins
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter - that was excellent! We need people like you on a national level to help with this issue. I won't call it a problem because most of the time the criminal deserve what he got , not in every case but most. Besides I think people get the message more when they're punched in the head or in the solar plexus than shot. Because now days if they get shot, they see dollar signs, but when they get a few body blows. They feel pain and aggravation.
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SPC Joseph Ahner
I agree wholeheartedly. That incident with the athsmatic guy that one cop choked to death in new york is a perfect example. On one hand she used far more force than was necessary to restrain him. On the other hand she jumped up on the guy who was twice her height's back. Had he not been asthmatic he could have thrown himself backwards on the sidewalk and broke her ribs, neck and skull.
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Self defense is always worth while. You never know when you'll have to kick some lowlifes ass and the time to learn is before the ass whoopin' commences. If you have the opportunity to learn more go for it.
Someday, sometime in a dark poorly lit parking lot somewhere , your family or friends may thank you.
Someday, sometime in a dark poorly lit parking lot somewhere , your family or friends may thank you.
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I find at least the first three levels to be useful for Infantrymen who are dangerously close to their enemies. Bring the experience of combative sad another tool in the kit bag to draw out should the need arise. The father of MACP always said that he who brings more friends with weapons to a fight wins. But he also saw the need to be flexible enough to take on an enemy in close quarters where you may not be able to bring your rifle up in time or end up struggling to employ it while the enemy may be attempting to grab it from you. What you get in the end is a warrior fighting spirit regardless of MOS.
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may I add that this training as you go out into civilian world may some day save your life or somebody else, the world we live in is dangerous and all people should have at least some sort of training, not only to defend themselves but to recognized the dangers around them
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SPC Joseph Ahner
Another note on that being the first three levels have been condensed to two. There is no fourth anymore and lv 3 is trainer certification.
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