Posted on Aug 5, 2014
SSG Robin Rushlo
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Atheists want guard to stop bible handouts what is your opinion
If you do not believe in the BIBLE GOD JESUS etc do not take the BIBLE. Easy answer

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/08/05/atheists-want-guard-to-stop-bible-handouts.html?ESRC=eb.nl
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I was offered a Bible during in processing at reception. I declined and explained that I am Jewish. The person went away and returned with a Torah. I still have it - and use it - to this day.

I had some bad experiences with evangelical Christians who will not back off. To me that is a matter of ignorance on their part and there is no need to make some kind of universal rule that will affect everyone.
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CPO William Hughes
CPO William Hughes
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Quite a bit of rambling going on here. Not sure of what you are saying. First one thing, then contradicting that with almost an apology. I'm sure you feel what you are trying to say but it's just not clear. However, I take exception to this; "We for our faith regardless if we chose to claim to be from Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, or any other have to accept responsibility for the entire community of the faith", Atheism is not a faith. In the words of Mark Twain, "Faith is believing what you know, ain't so." I am not responsible for people of faith, if they want to believe, that's up to them. It seems that so many people in this forum are missing the point of the original discussion. The objection to passing out bibles is not the act of passing them out, it lies in who is passing them out. if a member of the armed forces is passing out christian bibles, then that is a violation of the "separation of church/state". If a non-governmental entity is passing out bibles, that's fine. I would personally decline, but that's my choice. No one is denying anyone's right to their religion.
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SPC Travis Grizzard
SPC Travis Grizzard
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So Lt, you posted, "Secondly, I want a "Truth-Seeking" "Scientific" Chaplain", which would require "Truth Seeking" "Scientific" to be a recognized religion, then you followed that with, "And I want a "Truth-Seeking" "Scientific"ROTC program at some decent University", thereby establishing "Truth Seeking" "Scientific" as the OFFICIAL religion of the US Military
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CH (MAJ) William Beaver
CH (MAJ) William Beaver
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As a Chaplain I say that Chaplains who won't back off from pressuring Soldiers or attempting to evangelize outside the chapel services are in violation of AR 165-1.
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SA Harold Hansmann
SA Harold Hansmann
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Chief Hugh, I wish I could give Ya more than 1 thumbs up.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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"No thank you" simple, easy, non-aggressive, mom & dad taught you how to say it and what it means and you've been using the phrase for a while...
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca - Thanks for the salute but you didn't have to! LOL! Seriously, that was my first inclination, not to salute but to say, "No sir or no Mam." Simple, courteous and always a polite way of saying 'no'.
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CPT Jason Torpy
CPT Jason Torpy
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Maybe we should have Pepsi, Chevy Truck, Scientologists, Amway, and every other organization the privilege of marketing their wares to vulnerable and impressionable recruits? If the chaplaincy were making available, with equal fervor, the Qu'ran, Book of Mormon, Wiccan materials, and the Humanist Manifesto, then maybe the Bibles would have a place. As it is, troops should have to fend off missionaries when they've got enough problems to deal with.
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SPC Charles Brown
SPC Charles Brown
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca

Hopefully they were taught by mom and dad to show this kind of respect. Nowadays it could be anything rude or nothing at all.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Is it "handing out" or "making available". Those are two different things. I would have issues if the military was issuing a bible to every soldier. But I have NEVER seen that in my 18 yrs. What I have seen is the chaplains will set up a table with religious literature available (of all kinds of flavors) and soldiers are free to take what they want. THAT should not change.
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CPT Jason Torpy
CPT Jason Torpy
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1LT Scott Doyle The religious accommodation regulations and the mission of the chaplains are to provide for all soldiers. We didn't 'show up at a party', we volunteered to serve our country. We didn't ask for 'RC' Cola, we're asking for support for our core values and beliefs. You wouldn't say Catholics are just whining when the don't get Mass, don't marginalize our core values.

All the materials are available at militaryatheists.org and other organizations. Care packages go out every month and we send out materials all over the world. But all of this support is done with no help and often official exclusion from chaplain programs. So your hypothesis that we humanists just aren't willing to help is wrong. Go to your chaplain and ask for humanist materials and see what they say.
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CPT Jason Torpy
CPT Jason Torpy
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1LT Scott Doyle We're not trying to match Christians. It's not a competition. It's a matter of having something for us. I'm glad you're in support of chaplain support for humanists and other nontheists. Drop by and point your chaplain at militaryatheists.org. See if he or she is willing to put the word out. Remember that 'no one asked' isn't the standard. They know nontheists are in the unit, so they should ask themselves what part of their attitude or the command climate is pushing those soldiers away?
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Issued bibles? I can see it now. "WHAT is your bible serial number?!"
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SGT Mike Rudd
SGT Mike Rudd
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there are no atheists in any war zone, bible and god are just as much of the military as it is a part of the constitution if you don't like it don't join or move out of the United States
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