Posted on Sep 2, 2016
COL Lee Flemming
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The human capital and financial costs of long-term military intervention is extremely steep. Have we built our military to fight, or is there a real expectation that we nation build too? Are we resourced to nation build? The reality is obvious, but I am not sure if the end result is expected, predicted or even understood at the time of deployment. We all know the definition of insanity...
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SFC Mark Merino
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When the United States military is unleashed, it is a juggernaut. Green kryptonite couldn't slow it down. Then our government got creative and decided that it was the military's job to be State Department employees and were to also be ambassadors, nation builders, civil engineers, media savvy spokesmen, social workers,........................
The last successful nation to be built post-war, by the military, was Japan....and that required nuclear weapons to get to the foundation that was necessary to rebuild upon. A nation that had been around for thousands of years, militarily hardened by the way of bushido.....reduced to rubble. When the will to fight was finally outmatched by their overwhelming misery, a new nation was reborn. Their very identity was forever changed.
We live in the world of public opinion, political correctness, and politicians who plan their every move based on their ability to hold onto power for as long as they can. The military works for the sitting POTUS and their own State Department. Rules of engagement are not designed to keep our warriors safe. Our troops are made to feel that their own nation will throw them under the bus whenever it is convenient. HRC single handedly destroyed the one thing that every warrior holds sacred; leave no one behind.
I have a difficult time trying to engage my brain housing group with our civilian leader's intentions. Apparently, so did so many of our key leaders. There have been so many quality military leaders relieved for one pathetic reason or another and usually it was for making a decision geared towards keeping their troops safe. I miss the simple days. The days when the military was unleashed like a plague upon our enemies.
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LOL.... wrote my response before I read your. We think alike.
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Lazaro Alcazar
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Once deployed wearing a uniform all that's left is to follow instructions with set mind honor love and loyalty. Only one thing on mind. To win at all cause or die in the line of duty...
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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SFC Mark Merino Well said. In general, the U.S. military is not a nation building business - we are in the war business.
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SFC Mark Merino
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SGM Mikel Dawson - .........and business is good.
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CPT Jack Durish
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That's a helluva good question and it seems it's one that many of us have been wondering about given the depth of comments in response. Personally, I think it doesn't work because it can't. (Now doesn't that sound stupid - but it's true). Ask any mechanic and they'll tell you. "I can fix anything if only I had a bigger hammer." It seems that the mechanic's in Washington have been playing by that rule for a long time.

How about using a different paradigm: Use the right tool for the job. If things need blowing up or people need killing, send in the military. If not, don't. And when you're done blowing up those things and killing those people, go home. If you need a nation built, let the people who live there build it. If they ask for help, help as little as possible so they will build their own government. Try reading the Declaration of Independence. It's a great guide to nation building.
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COL Lee Flemming
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CPT Jack Durish definitely go home!
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Emerald S
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hum? intervention is always a challenge, but even a mechanic should know use of better tool/s does make a difference ,that too is subject to what is usable. that paradigm you mentioned is confusing reference to the section of < and when you,re done blowing up those things~ and killing "those people---etc> . is that the concern which is more frustrating, that part or is that the stand back and watch , nothing within the depth of intervention is comfortable , not easy to reflect back upon in the short time / perhaps the quest for quick solutions is more challenging . it took a long time for the Declaration of Independence /now reading it WELL that can take time too
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CWO3 Retired
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I am with you on that statement. But as you know in today's society especially our elected officials that we the people choose whom they want to represent them is causing this so-called wide spread caos. If we only had men and women who we elected had some service time and real gonads then we wouldn't have this problem. Right? My opinion only.
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SGT Mary G.
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CWO3 (Join to see) - I totally agree.
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SGT David T.
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One of our biggest problems is that we don't understand the cultures in the places we fight. I have seen this time and time again where we try to apply American ideals to people who aren't Americans. Another problem I see is that military leaders by and far don't study the history nearly enough. Right before I deployed to Afghanistan, none of my leaders had any clue that the Soviets fought a long brutal war there. And time and time again, we make the same mistakes. I think we need to really exercise more care before getting involved in places around the world. We should only involve ourselves in direct threats to us or our allies and let the chips fall where they may for the rest. It is not our job to depose dictators. Their governments exist with (at least on a nominal level) by the consent of the governed. It is not up to us to involve ourselves in the internal affairs of other nations. I am not suggesting we be totally isolationist, but we need to pick our wars carefully. Look at the last 15 years, what have we really accomplished other than depleting our resources and creating conditions that led to negative 2nd and 3rd order effects?
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SGT David T.
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COL Lee Flemming - Doh....lol I haven't had enough coffee yet lol
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Food for thought.
In the early days of Afghanistan, one SF ODA (574) embedded with the Indig with air power took over most of the Southern half of the country. ODA's with the Indig were winning the war. Other ODAs were deployed or deploying all over the country and the war was going well with, then COL Mulholland (now LTG (retired)) running things (Task Force Dagger). I knew him as a CPT and he was a hell of a team leader and Company CDR. Anyway, when "big Army" came in with all their bureaucratic bullshit, rules and regulations, etc, things started going downhill.
This was because, like David said, regular Army doesn't understand the cultures of places like these and are not equipped to fight like this in Low intensity conflicts.
Just my $.02.
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SGT Eric Knutson
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SFC (Join to see) - Totally agree with you SFC, Divisions are made to break the will and destroy their toys wholesale, SF (if allowed to do their jobs correctly) quietly change things usually for the better. Not saying that they don't need a good solid QRF nearby (Rangers would be my optimal suggestion to keep it small). But large formations leave a certain deavastation in their wake (it is the nature of the beast)
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SGT Mary G.
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I agree. Your assessment about being unprepared, culturally, in addition to our government having developed an unwarranted hatred of the culture before raking military action, shines a light on what has exacerbated and in some cases created a more complex ongoing problem, regionally.
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