Posted on Aug 15, 2016
CWO3 Electronics Material Officer (Emo)
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I think that we should have a drastic change to the Senior Enlisted and Officer evaluation to include a section from how the junior personnel rate them. Speaking for the Navy it should be grouped in with Block 33-39 with a 1-5 rating. I think this would help weed out the leaders that look good to their seniors but do not take care of their subordinates as they are required to do.
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SSgt Joseph Marquis
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Leaders are evaluated on their completion of assigned missions.

To give a lackluster PVT the ability to waiver your future opportunities because you denied their "Leave" to go Pokémon GO, is just not a fair evaluation of a leader. sometimes leaders are not liked by those who must do the dirty work and if you allow a Jr member to use this influential point that in someway could lead to their own promotion to fill the gap created by the SNCO/CPO firing or Passover for promotion? It breeds dishonest practice and self promoting behavior.
Once we evaluate on how nice my leader is to me and not on the merits of mission accomplishment, the military will crumble and fall from it's position as an elite organization.
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CWO3 Electronics Material Officer (Emo)
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I would agree on part of that but if we give them criteria for what they are rating and not just one of your troops, all that you are the rater/senior rater for
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SGT William Howell
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SSgt Joseph Marquis and CWO3 (Join to see) I would take that one step further. When I was an E-4 Corporal I thought I knew a lot more than I actually did. If I were to evaluate a senior NCO, even without meaning to, there was a good chance I would have got it wrong. It is not a popularity contest.

Some of my best NCOs I had were complete a-holes at times. SFC (Join to see)!At the same time SFC Dean was being tough on me he kept me alive for 13 months in Iraq. My eval of him before and after deployment would have been totally different. Just because a leadership style does not make you all warm inside does not mean it is not effective.
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SSgt Joseph Marquis
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CWO3 (Join to see) - I didn't mean I would have 1 PVT evaluate me... I meant as a generic troop... one of many, many like one, they who are in my charge? Your literal reading of my one generalization is the only way you could argue your point?
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SGT William Howell
SGT William Howell
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I can see where the Chief is coming from. Lets say he is a COB on a swift boat. He has a PO2 and the rest are non-rates. It happens. Who rates him? An E5?

I say the whole thing is counter productive to good order and discipline. I say you got a real beef with someone senior that is what the IG is for.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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NO..If that isn't clear enough...HECK NO!!! To allow a junior enlisted member to comment on my performance is Ludacris at best. When I was a commander I had to take action on many different cases and circumstances. At any given time my 1st Sgt, Chief, and my name were burned in effigy for one reason or another because they had no leadership experience then barracks lawyers went to work about what they would have done had they been in charge...without all the info at all because we could not share it. If this were to take effect, the leadership evals would be based on leave approvals or denials, Art 15's or the lack thereof, not having a holiday party and calling people back from leave or cancelling leave should you have to because of the mission...and too many situations to even list. These junior personnel do not have the maturity or leadership experience to professionally judge their leadership...they haven't walked a mile in the shoes. If you want feedback from your subordinates on your ability to lead, do a climate survey...it will open your eyes and make you adjust fire as required to effectively lead. Sometimes I got unsolicited advice and it helped...sometimes I got unsolicited advice and I told them noted, thanks for your interest in national security. I relied on my SNCO's especially Chiefs to guide me and the ones I had weren't shy about advising...and I was extremely grateful. No input on evals from junior personnel...recipe for disaster.
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you got me at maturity and leadership skills, that is why millitary needs to stick to tir/tis, over the last 12 years, sm's promoted to fill slots even if they dont meet tir/tis, my nephew was one made ssgt just after 1st enlistment, made a mistake that maturity and leadership skills would've prevented he got busted back down to sgt, and your right climate surveys are a usefull tool for the leadership, but they are under utilized
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Sgt Jamie Grippin
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I had a MSgt explain to me once that if they aren't bitching they aren't happy. Its when they stop bitching that you have to be worried. I have found over time that this was very good good advice.
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The way I see it, joe knows bubkiss about the daily ins and outs of their senior leadership's job. Joe gets put on staff duty on a friday? 1sg must be incompetent. They don't have the scope of what's going on outside their three feet, and that's okay. Joe isn't paid to know what top is up to. If he was, joe would be top.
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