Posted on Jul 28, 2016
How beneficial are the table four exams within the Air Defense Artillery units?
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If Table 4 tests aren't beneficial, it's because we're not making them beneficial as NCOs. Table 4 isn't an exam. It's evaluating basic tasks our Soldiers should know in their MOS.
PMCS is the building block of our jobs. That should be evaluated by NCOs. Not only will equipment break down if not done right, but crew members should be able to avoid a -3 because filling out a 5988 is a basic PFC task.
RFAs are important as well. Another Table 4 task that should be validated by NCOs. Tangos need to be able to power up, heat missiles, and prep to fire. Echos need to do initialization, baseline, TWUD, mapping, bring launchers in. That's the basics of our job. Come Table VIII time, crews fail assumption because they skipped those basic skills and just 'took a Table 4 test.'
ABML 5 (RAL 5). That's too easy. But when skipped, some operators can't identify what's on their scope of know how to navigate tabs.
The written test, those are supposed to be basic questions that any -10 level should know.
ALL OF THAT ABOVE OS TABLE 4. It's validating that your Soldiers know the basics of their job. We as NCOs need to teach the basics and validate all of that.
If Table 4 isn't any value, then we are probably just giving a 'study guide' to pass a 50 question test. But if it turns out our BN's Table 4 is a waste of time, I challenge my NCO to make it worth your Soldiers time.
If Table 4 is complete and it seemed worthless, those operator's job skills might just be worthless. Train the basics first... That we don't need to 'retrain' between Q1 and Q2...
PMCS is the building block of our jobs. That should be evaluated by NCOs. Not only will equipment break down if not done right, but crew members should be able to avoid a -3 because filling out a 5988 is a basic PFC task.
RFAs are important as well. Another Table 4 task that should be validated by NCOs. Tangos need to be able to power up, heat missiles, and prep to fire. Echos need to do initialization, baseline, TWUD, mapping, bring launchers in. That's the basics of our job. Come Table VIII time, crews fail assumption because they skipped those basic skills and just 'took a Table 4 test.'
ABML 5 (RAL 5). That's too easy. But when skipped, some operators can't identify what's on their scope of know how to navigate tabs.
The written test, those are supposed to be basic questions that any -10 level should know.
ALL OF THAT ABOVE OS TABLE 4. It's validating that your Soldiers know the basics of their job. We as NCOs need to teach the basics and validate all of that.
If Table 4 isn't any value, then we are probably just giving a 'study guide' to pass a 50 question test. But if it turns out our BN's Table 4 is a waste of time, I challenge my NCO to make it worth your Soldiers time.
If Table 4 is complete and it seemed worthless, those operator's job skills might just be worthless. Train the basics first... That we don't need to 'retrain' between Q1 and Q2...
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Very well stated. I can imagine this being shown in 6-52 NCODP. . . right before someone makes a policy that negates your key points. Thanks for sharing.
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May I ask what your mission was in Afghanistan? Do you recognize that wall in my profile picture?
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Table IV exams and low intensity Air Battles are extremely important as a benchmark of knowledge for an Air Defender. They are the starting point toward which each successful skill level builds on.
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SGT (Join to see) - I just saw the subject line and wanted to put my 2 cents in as someone who believes the Table IV system works. Having been another MOS I have seen the Gunnery tables produce effective teams across the force and think it is an effective way to build knowledge.
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SGM (Join to see) - No argument here. I'm out of ADA. So I'm no longer affected either way. :)
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SGT (Join to see) - I usually go TY with a 25 PDNCO...I know most Signal guys hate ADA, lol.
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SGM (Join to see) - TY or TDY? That is correct. Few of us want to play van accountant or satellite dish mounter. But I did come to find that I was somehow a fresh breath of air to FC with the ways I did things. ADA is of course "Another Damn Army".
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As a 14H I believe that they can be beneficial when they are updated and relevant to the way BCP ops are currently ran. At my current unit the first table IV test still had AMDWS questions, referenced a DRASH gen that we no longer used, amongst other things. While Soldiers train on new equipment and learn new skills, they had to study about outdated equipment and software. So if the tests are updated and a study quide or reference guide is provided then yes they are a great thing. But one thing that I do not understand is the 72 hour lockdown if you fail. You can use MRT all you want, but when you are locked down "hunting the good stuff" is kind of hard.
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I've always considered the reason for the lockdown to be to make you take it seriously because of PowerPoint presentations that which are superiors' only way of knowing how green-lit a battery is, and Alcoholics Defending America taking itself too seriously.
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