Posted on Jul 5, 2016
How could I have handled a Soldier displaying gang affiliation on social media better?
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I came across a soldier who displayed gang affiliation on his Facebook page. Throwing up gang signs, flashing colors, etc. I messaged him on June 23rd and advised him that gang affiliation is illegal to service members, and that he should remove the posts and the pictures. On July 4th, I happened across the message I sent and noticed that he read it almost immediately after I sent it (time stamps were the same),but he did not reply, so I checked the profile to see if they had been taken down. They had not. I sought counsel with two DS (that were mutual friends) and was told to contact CID. So I filed a report with the MPIs, and provided them with the evidence. Did I handle this the right way? Or is there another way I should have handled it?
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SPC (Join to see), there are a lot of things that you can handle at the lowest levels. Gang affiliation really isn't one of them. You did the right thing.
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By going to the PM & CID you did the right thing. However, you made yourself a target prior to doing the right thing. If something terrible were to befall you (and or) any immediate family, you would be their object lesson. Always think before you take it upon yourself to correct obviously illegal activities. If you had been their platoon NCO it would be more understandable. Older NCO's understand better how to handle situations of this nature.
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SGT Daniel Myers
Short of fragging him for not taking them down, a blanket party may have been in order or don't they do they do those anymore?
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SSG Red Hoffman
Inserting yourself into a situation like this can be both a brave and/or idiotic thing to do. Even if this puts an end to the issue with this one service member, it will make you known by other members of his gang circle as well as fellow service members. In short, you might have placed yourself in a situation where many could see you as untrustworthy. You should have never contacted him directly. Reporting the post and images anonymously would have been the best way...imo.
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Realistically, there is no "off duty" time when you're in the military. Service members are also bound to a different set of rules (UCMJ among other things). I run into this problem at work where I see my clients (who are also employees of my company) blatantly displaying things that are against company regulations, but as a civilian agency, I can't really enforce something that happens while not on the job site. That is not the case with the military. There are standards of conduct that apply 24/7, and gang affiliation is one of those. In my opinion, you handled it well, by first approaching the individual informally and unofficially with the warning/notification, but when there was no response and no action taken, you acted in accordance with the good of the unit - yet still tried to handle it at a level where there would be no official repercussions to this person's actions by posting such information on Facebook. You sought counsel from more knowledgeable and respected individuals, and followed their advice. This person had multiple opportunities to act on the information you provided and the request, yet still chose not to comply with the code of conduct. I say you did very well in your handling of the situation (and this is from someone who deals with reporting procedures and complaints daily, as I deal with ADA violations, EEOC complaints, and various investigations in my work, all of which have to follow proper handling protocols). The goal is always to resolve an issue at the lowest possible level of consequence unless it's something so huge that such is simply not feasible nor desired. Gang activity was a huge thing when I was in the Army and as such, it is good that you turned it over to CID for them to take action. Just watch your six. Sometimes, legitimately or not, those who are considered to be "whistle blowers" can end up being a target, being seen as a snitch. At this point it's out of your hands, and I'd leave it that way.
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CPT (Join to see)
Mike Dalby - Just why are you here? You didn't serve and listening to your skreel is only marginally better than listening to someone shuffling off this mortal coil..
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Cpl Mark A. Morris
Mike Dalby - I voted down. Because, military persons are not slaves. One does not have to follow unlawful orders. Also, you showed your arse addressing an Honorable CPT.
Why are you on a military website running your suck Dalby? If you want respect, make dam sure you give it.
Why are you on a military website running your suck Dalby? If you want respect, make dam sure you give it.
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CPT (Join to see)
Mike Dalby - Why are you listed as "CPT (Anonymous) in my e-mail, but here you are listed as a civilian? Sounds like you are playing loose and free with posting rules.
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Potential criminal activity is best left to those with the task of investigating.
More so when if proven true, the seriousness is much greater.
So, some SM says on FB, my wife left me for some dude, Im staying in housing till I PCS next year.. He might warrant a message saying, dude, look it up, thats all sorts of wrong and can get you in hot water. If he modifys his behavior, problem solved, if he does not and is investigated later, well the paper trail is as damning then as it was before and it's a mostly victimless crime.
If the SM is stating he is dealing, selling stolen property, in a gang, driving drunk every weekend... Thats a note to CID at his home duty station and links to where you observed the statements.
More so when if proven true, the seriousness is much greater.
So, some SM says on FB, my wife left me for some dude, Im staying in housing till I PCS next year.. He might warrant a message saying, dude, look it up, thats all sorts of wrong and can get you in hot water. If he modifys his behavior, problem solved, if he does not and is investigated later, well the paper trail is as damning then as it was before and it's a mostly victimless crime.
If the SM is stating he is dealing, selling stolen property, in a gang, driving drunk every weekend... Thats a note to CID at his home duty station and links to where you observed the statements.
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CSM Thomas McGarry
Agree SGM-Several years ago one of the local Reserve Units here had a supply sergeant who was selling military hardware etc to gang members.
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