Posted on Nov 11, 2015
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Honest people are failing the polygraph, and why do agencies keep using them when they are not admissible in court?

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Polygraphs are no better than the person administering the exam. While in Detective training, we were given a mini-course in how to operate and administer a test. We had all these fancy stats and successful investigations blown up our skirts right after I took a test and bald-faced lied about something asked (nothing incriminating, folks). Dummy said I aced the exam. Truth is, Carlos, there are hundreds of environmental, psychological, medical, mental, and physiological reasons that can affect an honest person's results. But the pre-exam and the capabilities of the operator "should" mitigate them. Conversely, a pathological liar can beat an exam, but a competent polygraphist should be able to see through the BS. Therein, lies the reasons why polygraphy tests are not admissible in CRIMINAL cases. They are admissible in CIVIL cases, and are pervasively used by private industry in the hiring process or internal issues such as thefts.

I hasten to add that I am referring to the public, the civilian world. The military has its own set of rules as to the application and admissibility of polygraph tests. Ten percent of the test is the subject's physical and mental state. Ninety percent is the polygraphist' skills and expertise.

And, I further hasten to add, it takes years to become an expert polygraphist, many years. I once met the top polygraphists in the FBI and the CIA. Some of those boys looked like they'd been around when Hoover was a Boy Scout (or, in his case, Girl Scout, I reckon).
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I loathed taking the Lifestyle. I had nothing to hide, but even knowing the end game, I still defaulted to thinking about those post-its from work that made their way to my home, or that time that I lied to Mom in high school about why I broke curfew. My base-line always spiked, so I was highly stressed throughout the whole ordeal. Oh, and they asked such inane questions, I would laugh and have to be recalibrated. Sucked all around. But, I survived. :)
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The baseline is created by asking known questions with known answers. Investigatory questions are what created the "squiggles" atop your baseline.
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Oh, I know... I still get squiggles for my baselines! I blame Irish Catholic guilt. LOL! :)
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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1SG (Join to see), many people confess to things when faced with a polygraph.....it is not always what the machine tells you, it is often what the person tells you themselves in fear of being found out by the machine.
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig - if that's how that certified polygraphist administered that test to you, SHOWING you even the baseline questions, he should be or have been fired!!!
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SCPO (Join to see) - that is exactly how it went down brother, I went through it....started with me circling a number on the same sheet of paper as the questions!
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SCPO (Join to see) - "there is a list of numbers one through ten, circle one of the numbers"
"Sir, we are going to go over these question before we begin the test"
"The first question: in respect to the number seven, is the number seven circled?"......"are you comfortable with the questions, are you ready to begin"
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig - Like I said, Mike, the military has its own way of doing things. In the first place, baseline questions are black and white: are you so and so, is your MOS such and such, do you own a red Tahoe. But that's all stuff he already knows from the investigation file he's been given and which he has studied for a minimum of three days, developing the investigatory questions that he would ask you. It stinks, Mike, that he would begin his test that way. That is not how I was trained, and I can assure you that there are 1000 times more law enforcement polygraphists in the country than in the military service branches I also feel confident in saying a legitimate police polygraphist was not trained that way and would not and does not operate that way. Not for long, I'll tell you.
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