Posted on Apr 15, 2014
Since when is "jungle expert" an authorized tab?
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I'm seeing some Rangers here with that tab under their ranger tab. Unfortunately they walked off before I could engage them and ask. <div><br></div><div>The amount of tabs and right shoulder sleeve identifications that have been created at will over the last few years never ceases to amaze me. Is this authorized?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not saying this as a jerk but rather a general discussion question. If we can create entirely new uniform items why not start creating our own uniforms in general. See what I'm saying?</div><div><br></div><div>Also it may actually allow commanders to do this but I'm missing it in the regulation. I certainly don't know everything so I might be missing it. </div>
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I'm a senior instructor at JOTC. The current POI is not graded on a pass/fail basis. We provide one week (6 days) of Jungle skills which include: Jungle medical, patrolling techniques, waterborne operations, ground sign awareness, and rope assisted mobility. We provide the training to the units going through (BN level, with a one week offset between individual rifle companies). The 70% pass rate refers to the amount of injuries sustained. The terrain is very rugged and is something Soldiers are not used to operating in. While Hawaii doesn't represent the heat, flora and fauna as some jungles across the Pacific can provide, it does have a realistic view on the hazards associated with operating in a jungle environment. The training is less like a school and more like a training rotation.
Our cadre have been to many foreign jungle schools across the globe including Malaysia, Australia, Brunei, Thailand, and the Philippines and are continuously going to more.
As far as the Tab goes, it is division authorized much like the "Commando tab" of 10th mountain or the "Arctic Tab" im Alaska and only worn in 25th ID. If any questions about the training feel free to contact me to avoid speculation.
Our cadre have been to many foreign jungle schools across the globe including Malaysia, Australia, Brunei, Thailand, and the Philippines and are continuously going to more.
As far as the Tab goes, it is division authorized much like the "Commando tab" of 10th mountain or the "Arctic Tab" im Alaska and only worn in 25th ID. If any questions about the training feel free to contact me to avoid speculation.
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SSG James Ramirez
I completed the Jungle Warfare Training Course while in the marine corps. Did this in the jungles of Okinawa, Japan at the JWTC. They gave us certificates for completing. But I left the MC and I am now in the army. Would I rate a Jungle Tab with this course?
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CPL Ken Christensen
I got mine in ft. Sherman, January- April, 1987. Green Hell. Got the badge and its on my DD-214 so I was authorized to wear it. Things have surly changed now but I wore it over the left breast pocket on my greens and duty uniform. Pass/ Fail, Hurt?? just about everyone was hurt, bandaged and on crutches .. but we passed and got the badge.
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SPC James Willbanks
COL (Join to see) - I was in JOTC around '91 and didn't receive anything. I was wondering if it was a pass/fail scenario and we didn't pass. It was 3 weeks of fun though regardless.
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CPT David Turnbull
I got mine in 1971 as an individual, not with a unit. Under the old rules I was authorized to wear it on class A's, jungle fatigues, and later BDU's.
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Found this on Wiki. The "JUNGLE EXPERT" tab was often worn by graduates of the Jungle Operations Training Center until the school became inactive in 1999. The tab may have been official until 1982. The tab was never recognized army wide, but enjoyed a quasi-official status much like that of the Cavalry Stetson. That is, the tab was often authorized to be worn by graduates of the school by local commanders and by members of the United States Army South specifically.
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SGT Kurt Kline
We went to JOTC in 89. It was not a good school and seemed to be a resting place for NCO's. We would attend a class and then our chain of command would re teach the tactics. I couldnt imagine wearing a patch reflecting my graduation from that school
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