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2018-03-02T19:24:58-05:00

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2018 7:27 PM

2018-03-02T19:27:54-05:00

So I’m assuming you’re in group?

Response by CW3 Jeff Held made Mar 2 at 2018 7:40 PM

2018-03-02T19:40:16-05:00

Is the guy Ranger & SF tabbed? Unless he can get to the Group Commander forget it. His unit is manned fully as ramp up to deploy. Highly unlikely to go below strength just to move this guy.

Not saying he should not try. But take time to reflect what might be thought of a guy who is trying to bail prior to a deployment. Would you want a guy like that on your team?

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Mar 2 at 2018 8:22 PM

2018-03-02T20:22:05-05:00

So guessing you are in Group. Guessing the soldier is in MEDDAC, EOD or 4ID.

I was a Brigade DCO in 4ID. No unit there was properly manned, ever. The manning of a unit isn't at the company or even Battalion, you have to look at the Division. A Company could be at strength or even over strength but the Battalion or Brigade could be understrength, even though they won't move anyone to balance, they are good by USR math. Then you have to look two up and two down. Then you have to look at 120 day losses and gains. It is all blame the victim, G1-USR math.

To your question...the CSMs of their respective commands are delegated the authority to do personnel moves. I would say that if you found someone to fill a billet, go through CSM channels to effect the transfer. To expect a soldier, maybe a 10 level soldier to somehow work his own transfer is a non starter. Gaining unit must agree to accept a soldier, but more to the point, losing unit has to agree to give them up, essentially with no promise of replacement. Tough sell.

Further complication is that this intrapost transfer, isn't. The soldier will PCS from FORSCOM or MEDCOM to SOCOM. This will restart his dwell clock, which they are reluctant to do. Thou must keep moving.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Mar 2 at 2018 9:48 PM

2018-03-02T21:48:16-05:00

He says- what does his chain of command say? He can move to higher authority, or even talk to the BDE/DIV CSM, that might work or blow up in his face.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2018 12:50 PM

2018-03-03T12:50:17-05:00

So he is currently 4th ID and wants a transfer to the 10th SFG(A)?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2018 1:59 PM

2018-03-03T13:59:27-05:00

Sounds like a case of personal wants versus Army needs. I cant think of a time where the former outweighed the latter.

Maybe having a conversation with the retention NCO when the time comes can align the two.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Mar 4 at 2018 11:16 AM

2018-03-04T11:16:32-05:00

best chance is for your CSM to talk to the losing units CSM and Installation CSM. I had it done when I was part if Aviation and wanted a transfer to 10th group many years ago. But I had two advantages. One my Apache BN was deactivating and two my wife met 10ths CG and he looked at my file.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Mar 4 at 2018 11:28 PM

2018-03-04T23:28:17-05:00

Let your Battalion CSM know about the problem and let him solve it.

Response by SGT Ernesto Bloberg made Mar 13 at 2018 2:45 PM

2018-03-13T14:45:59-04:00

Contact your JAG for recommendations. Request for transfer must be officaly denied or approved.

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Mar 13 at 2018 2:58 PM

2018-03-13T14:58:46-04:00

He says "his unit is properly manned"? I would take at a look at the big picture first. Being airborne qualified does not mean you will automatically go to an airborne unit. And just because your section is undermanned, does not mean that your unit as a whole is. I will also add, if you are in 10th GRP, you guys may be losing a lot more jump slots in the near future. All priority will go to operators. So even if he does go, does not mean he will be on jump status.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2018 8:59 AM

2018-03-23T08:59:09-04:00

Have the Soldier contact branch. Branch can do a mandatory interpost transfer

Response by SGT Dale Williams made Mar 26 at 2018 9:00 AM

2018-03-26T09:00:57-04:00

He has to submit his DA FORM 4187 to the next link in his chain of command. And if denied there. To the next link in COC.
Its like they say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease".

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Mar 26 at 2018 9:12 AM

2018-03-26T09:12:37-04:00

SSG Private RallyPoint Member "he says his unit properly manned"
He is mistaken, and I don't even need to see the manning roster to know that is true.
Partly because Id bet he is only looking at the company level, Manning and strength is a CORPS or Divisional level deal.. So at the company it may look to a SP4 that the unit is fully manned, but Id bet even that Company 1SG knows better, because what the SPC does not know is, of the 6 authorized 91B 20 authorized, one is a known loss, one has a separation packet in process and 2 have been on station more then 5 years and are likely to be on orders any time now...
And thats just the company level, if other units in that division are in the same boat or outright have slots unfilled, the "Unit" is not properly manned.

And lastly, a decent 1SG will for a GOOD SM, take the time to tell them why the transfer is not going forward or approved. So food for thought, either the unit leadership is not the best, or the SM is not worth their time..